Salmon ID Flowchart

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  1. plaegreid

    plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    So my girlfriend's brother in law is a Navy boy from Oklahoma who got stationed out here earlier this spring. He wants to start fishing for salmon in the saltwater (he's a gear only guy; I'm workin' on that), but he is worried about bonking the wrong kind of salmon. I showed him the regs with the pictures and descriptions and whatnot, but he's still a bit hesitant. Since I can't run out to fish with him that often (he's on Whidbey, I'm in Renton) I figured what the heck, why not make an ID flowchart? So I'm in that process, but I want to run it past some people with more salmon experience (read: y'all) than me before I get too far into it, so if you would kindly take a moment and let me know if this is out and out or pretty ok, I would greatly appreciate it. :D

    Don't worry about it being fugly, by the way, that will get fixed once I know the info on the flow is right!

    Salmon ID flowchart.jpg
     
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  2. Jordy Jordan

    Jordy Jordan Panama Red

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    I just moved out here from Oklahoma as well... let me know if you need some help convincing him to drop the gear.
     
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    Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    That's a pretty great chart, nice work. Seems to make perfect sense to me, but there might be some folks with a bit more experience who might have some more nitpicky thoughts on it. I know things aren't always as cut and dry as we'd like them to be.

    In any case, I like it. Nice and simple, and maybe even easier to deal with than pictures of the different species which can be difficult to match up at times.

    J
     
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    So I got no response when I asked about what key characteristics to look for with regard to salmon species, in a thread called Salmon ID
    http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/index.php?threads/salmon-id.91401/#post-855991

    The idea of a dichotomous key is a good one.

    I would organize by what is most obvious first. When you get to a specific salmon, I would add additional features to check.

    For me the first obvious thing is does it have large oblong spots top and bottom of tail, and hence is a pink.

    Yes: Pink Confirmation. No silver on tail, white mouth with black gum line.

    No: next question:
    spots on back and tail and silver pigment on tail
    YES (Coho or Chinook)
    spots on top and bottom of tail, yes, chinook, confirmation, black mouth and gum line
    no, coho, spots are on top of tail, confirmation, white mouth and gum line

    NO, no prominent spots back and tail, small speckles may be present (chum or sockeye, both have white mouth and white gum line and dark tongue)
    next question for the NO answer
    Silver pigment on tail yes, chum, confirmation large scales, tail base is tender
    no, sockeye, confirmation, average scales, prominent gold eyes

    I'm not from the west side, I would still be curious to know what key features that frequent fishers of the sound use as their guide.

    I can see the logic of the guide as the OP arranged it.

    jay
     
  5. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    A problem with the WDFW identification chart is that most of the photos are of salmon in their spawning coloration. The coho, for instance, looks nothing at all like a typical saltwater-caught coho. Could you identify this sea-run cutthroat based on the picture of the small resident cutthroat on the chart? DSCF0148.JPG
     
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    Thanks I like those pictures of the tail and mouth much better than the fish images in the regs booklet

    Jay
     
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    CLO They seem me trollin'

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    Steelhead have spots on their tail and are not pinks or coho.
     
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    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Note to self:

    Close mouth, wipe drool...
     
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  12. plaegreid

    plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    I actually did these things, holy crow.

    #necropost #dealwithit

    The printable/useful version:

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    The Pretty version:

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    CLO They seem me trollin'

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    Great work, but like I said you should throw steelhead on list. Or even put a separate flow for bull trout and searuns
     
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    plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    I'm working on a "Not a salmon" chart as well; its not done yet though, but it will have all of those guys on it
     
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    Nice work plaegreid! I wish that all WA anglers would take a few minutes to learn how to identify their fish. Every year I'm amazed by the amount of catch confusion.
     
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    Thank you! It is pretty impressive how many fish are ID'd incorrectly; hopefully these will help some people out. Just need to figure out how to distribute them (along with my dogfish PSA)
     
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    I like what you've done.
     
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  19. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    Out here on the Olympic Peninsula most of the salmon get landed by dragging them up into the dry sand and gravel, whereupon the fish flop about in this stuff, until they are fairly and thoroughly "breaded" in a thick coating that completely obscures their identity as to species. The subsequent trip to the back of a waiting truck is unceremonious, stealthy and swift. Once in a blue moon a Game Warden appears for a brief visit on our shores. And he might write a few tickets. Then everyone behaves themselves for a day or two. There are herring involved. And every week I see someone fishing with a barbed hook on a fly. So it goes.
     
  20. plaegreid

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    Alright, here's the first draft of this guy. The images are kinda crap, but I had a bit of a time finding a quality image of a bull trout that was in not copywritten or a drawing.

    The important part here is the descriptions; images are changed easily once I find 'em.

    NOT a salmon.jpg
     

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