wow... so what if someone thinks your rod is a POS. compared to a lot of rods it probably is. I didnt miss the point, I just think its worthless. I still say put your money where your mouth is if you want people to meet up with you. A pitcher of beer might work but if you are really confident in your abilities, because thats what this is going to boil down to, then put something on the line. Your rod perhaps although i doubt 3d would show up for a shot at your flyrod based on his opinion of tfo. I have been a lurker, i kinda jumped in with both feet now that i have decided to post. A few days in the office with a desire to talk fishing will do that.