short rod myth

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  1. Leroy Laviolet

    Leroy Laviolet Aint no nookie like chinookie

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    So, will someone explain how it is easier to cast a 12'er vs a 15'er ?:confused:
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    Line control , which is better ??
    I'll start with it's much easier to fish a long rod short than it is to fish a short rod long -
    The spey forum is crawling...Barely-
    Discuss amongst yerselves...:rofl: I'm getting a bit verklempt...
     
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    Long rod - long belly. Short rod - short belly.
     
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    Who cares.

    Get away with what you can with the shortest rod possible.
     
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    Mark Speer It's all good.....

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    All comes down to how far and deep you want to fish. I'm not much of a short-mid-long belly guy but I'm pretty sure you can cast skagit lines with heavy tips and big flies further with longer rods with less skill/effort than it takes to do the same with shorter rods.
     
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    Well of course, isn't that the point of having long rods vs. shorter rods and long belly lines vs. compact skagits? If anyone thinks its as easy to throw t-14 with a dumbell leach w/ an 11 footer as it is with a 14 footer, well, you're high as shit. Its splendid to walk on the river with a 12 foot rod and a mid to long belly floater and feel the love. I'm simply not going to walk on to a big river and throw t-14 with a 12 footer when I can make it much more pleasurable with a 14 footer.
     
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    i do it just fine on my 13 footer no probs at all, but who knows maybe that extra foot makes it that much easyer i dont know, id say get what feels the best in your hands.
     
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    It comes down to one thing and on thing only the skill of the person doing the fishing.
    I have taught people to cast long belly lines on short rods.
    Others wanted to cast large flies on short rods with full 24 ft. Big Boy Sink Tips.
    Yes is can and is being done all over the planet.

    Rule of thumb is what every you desire.
    The longer the rod the more line control you have that is a given it is a longer lever.:ray1:

    The Size of mass you casting is function of the spine of the rod and line you want to use.

    Turn over a big fly you should have big line
    The question is how big of line T-14 weighs it at 14 grains.
    The mating belly of line should be at least on grain per foot over the sink tip.

    So you main belly at the point where are attaching the Sink Tip must be 15 grains or better.
    The length of mating belly should be long enough to make up the the weight to turn over the mass you have attached to it.

    Last not the longer a rod the more forgiving it is and the smaller in diameter the main belly is makes the controlling the spey maneuvers easier.

    If you would like to know more seem at The Day On The River Saturdays at Fall City..

    We have boundaries but these should not be turned into barriers.
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    There is a right way, hell, I'm doomed. I've got rods that use two hands from 11' to 14'3" I find a line that works for me on them and I try to fish that combo. Thinking about it all too much makes my head hurt. A wise man told me during a day on the river to find a line that works with the rod and learn it, stop switching setups and just fish that pair together to do whatever you want. Leland is a smart man.
     
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    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    long rods are good for what they're good for, as are shorties.
    Both are hard to learn with the wrong mindset, very easy with the right help and some practice.

    I tried out the Burkie 18'3" 10/11/12 yesterday; it gave me shpilkis in my genechtagazoink. So now I'm in Boca Raton, Florida recovering nicely, thank you very much.

    BTW, listen to Aaron.
     
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    long rod --- long stroke;
    short rod --- short stroke...

    no offense intended to those who use short rods...:clown:
     
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    Leroy Laviolet Aint no nookie like chinookie

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    HAAAAA!!!!!! Good stuff Spaz-

    I'm still curious if and why the short rod is thought better on a given river where a longer rod will work -

    Juss wondrin...
     
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    Why would you use a 14 footer on a river like the Grand Ronde When you could and should use a 11/12 footer. Would you fish a 16 ft. rod on Oregon coastal rivers? Of course a bigger rod will always work, but in my opinion, you want to fish the shortest rod possible for the application without having to work too hard. Why? The same reason I don't fish a 9 wt single hander on a small cuttroat stream. Basically, your question is why I have a shop of rods and counting.
     
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    I like shorties with Skagit lines and 14 to 15 foot sticks for summertime long lines. The Sharks better win the Cup!
     
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    I'm the exact opposite.
     
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    I look at them like a tool. I use the right tool for the job at hand. 12' - 15' rods and 32' - 85' lines.
     
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    Leroy Laviolet Aint no nookie like chinookie

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    Why should you use a 10-11 footer on this river as uposed to a 13-14'er ? What advantage does a shorter rod have here ? What is the advantage to fishing the shortest rod possible as upposed to applying the opposite and going with the longest rod you can "Get away with" ?
    I do think short rods are great, and would encourage everyone to fish them...:thumb:

    I get the short rod on small water deal, and the skagit advantage on shorter rods , that's not what I'm curius about-
    Iv'e fished smaller rivers (GR one of them) and though I love my 12'6" lecie, I don't see where it has the advantage on a regular basis to a say 14'er on that river . Also, I tried the switch rod deal, and to each his own, but "No Bueno aqui " ...

    So, just wondered what I'm missing, Lots of great opinions, but looking for some cold hard reasons and technical advantages to the shorties ...
     
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    Your question is really odd to me and I'm not sure what you're looking for. I say this because the weight to length ratio we use to determine what tool to use for any given river or species is no different here. Do you fish a 13 footer on an irrigation ditch? How many rods do own and why? If I saw you using a 14 ft rod on the GR I would assume that its the only rod you own, you don't know what you're doing, you're a shitty caster, or all the above. I use a 13 footer on the CW and can't imagine why I would need to burden myself with another foot or two.
     
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    Leroy Laviolet Aint no nookie like chinookie

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    "Why should you use a 10-11 footer on this river as uposed to a 13-14'er ? What advantage does a shorter rod have here ? What is the advantage to fishing the shortest rod possible as upposed to applying the opposite and going with the longest rod you can "Get away with" ?


    Anyone else wanna take a shot at this highly technical question ??? :rofl::beathead:
     
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    Your illogicalness can not result in a logical answer. This is not a "technical" question, which I assume is why you're not getting many responses. Your question is so elementary to fly fishing that I'm hard pressed to even contemplate what you are after. Again.... How many rods do you own and do you fish a 15 footer on an irrigation ditch?
     
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