:rofl: :rofl: let me tell a story about hairwing flies and "bigger" flies. So Mike and I are camping on the Grand ronde(sp). I'm convinced from the reading and all the lore I've heard that hairwing flies are the ticket. In fact a Guide hands me this great looking hairwing fly. He's been doing this for years, and has lots of confidence in this fly. He says it will work... Who am I to doubt this, I mean this is his profession. So i go through the run first. Notta zip zilch. then as i am finishing up, I hear this. zip zzzzzzzzzzzz "FISH!!" Steelie mike going throug behind me hooks up with a fish. Son of a B%$%. A leech pattern 3-4" long nailed the fish. Low clear water....Both using same rod, same line, and same intermediate tip. I think from that moment on, I chucked the hairwings. They look cool as hell though.