Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by fredaevans, Aug 6, 2007.
Will are you a big fly hater?
It is my understanding that the wobbler fly (http://www.flytyingworld.com/PagesG/gs-wobbler.htm) was designed explicitely to duplicate the action of a spoon. It uses flattened mylar tubing covered with epoxy to provide a lightweight fly with interesting action. They are far more common in the Gulf, but they may be worth a try here.
I wasn't going to touch the first post with a 10' pole.
I’ve only been fishing with a spey rod for two years, so yes, you’re right I am new. I'm certainly not in the league as some of you. I have been steelhead fishing for my entire life with single hander and fish the same way through a run with it, as I would a two-hander. Of course the only difference is distance of cast and mending power. However, I think you misinterpreted my post. I don't cast the same 'PRESISE' amount of line through an entire run. I will cast then do an initial mend to get the swing started where I want it-- achieving a thorough, uniform swing through the run this way. Is that-that unusual?
For your personal entertainment, I will be at the Clave in September. I'll put on a comedic casting clinic for anyone who needs a laugh. Tall, you get front row.:clown:
Clearly...but I do speak from experience when I say tying them isnt that fun. Oh and I spent about an hour yesterday tying articulated bunny leech, just to satisfy the purist in me
Sounds like you 'fish' a run pretty much like me. Currents change, etc., and etc. so 'each cast' won't be the same as I may do a 'flop cast' (yes it IS UGLY) to use the same amount of line but a closer/longer dead drift to swing through a section of water. A 'flop cast' is an intentionally 'busted cast' so you end up with a pile of extra line on the water. Then a HUGE upstream mend so the fly(s) have a very long (fly first) dead drift along a current seam.
PH, what 'Clave** are you referring to?
** 'Clave is the correct spelling; I know as I invented the word. A contraction of 'conclave.'
Forgot my flies one day and just cleaned out my car so no stray flies around. Went to a gas station and bought some Dick Nites. Skagit head and 2-hander handled them without any problems. Kinda twisted my line up though. Not my favorite way to fish, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it again if in the same situation. Other lesson: don't clean out the car.
Dah Fred .... failed to note you're from Sandpoint, ID.
Did you have (a) swivel (or two) on the leader, or straight off a solid leader?
Straight off the leader. Should have gotten swivels as well.
My hunting partner got all of DZ Wells spoon making molds
I think one of the advantages of tossing a small spoon with a spey rod is the lack of lead needed. To toss out a small spoon with a gear rod you've got to use some weight, with spey rod you can choose your tips accordingly. The gear rod certainly excels at accessing deeper water, but the bug rod has the advantage for the water that's not as deep. I actually hooked a really nice coho doing this last fall when all the gear guys weren't doing well. Super fun. I'd do it again
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There is an advantage to using spoons on a fly rod. You'd need a bunch of lead to load a gear rod enough to cast a lightweight spoon. That works fine in heavy water, but causes it to drop like a rock in froggy stuff. The same spoon on an intermediate line just hovers. At least that's what I have read on the internet. I would never do such a thing. Ever. Honest.
I heard about a heathen using a spoon with his 9ft 5wt. Fluoro furled leader with a couple feet of fluoro tippet to fish some deep slow moving spots.
Anyone that would use a spoon on a fly rod is an elistist sombitch and likely bordering on being some sort of holier than thou casting guru.
I know some people whom employ this technique. Pretty lame, in my humble opinion, but to each his own.
Be quiet, you.
Hahaha, I was wondering when that was coming. It's all good! You of all people know that if one were to follow me around long enough they would see me do the dirty bead dance, and that is just gear fishing on a fly rod as well. I am happy to say that I have been slowly detoxing myself from these transgressions and have fished the dry line with surface or traditional bugs this year exclusively. With life changing success, might I add.
Is nothing sacred any longer?
Oh, the shame of it all!