Not sure what you're getting at Mumbles. I don't know you well enough to know if that was a jab, or if you were just making fun. I take steelhead fishing very seriously, possibly too much so. We all know how elusive those buggers can be at times. So, from the moment I get in the car I'm formulating my plan. Where to start on the river, based on water flow, what tactic to start with, swing or bounce bugs, what fly to use, based on water clarity, is the sun out, what angle to make my cast or do I have to crawl up to the holes, etc. So yeah, it's competitive to me in a way. If I do all those things and don't catch a fish in the first few hours, I feel like I lost a mini battle. Yet I contribute much of my success to doing all those things as well. But you did get me thinking. I meant no disrespect to stilly. In fact just the opposite. I commended him on taking that time to do just what he said, enjoy his time out. Something that I struggle with when I go steelhead fishing. Trout fishing is different, I don't seem to have that same struggle, even though I apply the same tactics....go figure. It's those darn steelies, they'll do that to a guy. So, sorry if I missed your joke if you were try'n to be funny. Like I said, I don't know you that well. That being said, with how new guys get their heads bitten off around here, you can't blame a guy for assuming the worst.