Somebody tell me where I went wrong?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Olive bugger, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    Thinking of tying some short leaders for steelhead fishing this winter.
    Here is what I am thinking. Tell me what is wrong with it?

    Butt section Maxima .020"/ two feet long.

    Mid section Maxima .017 / three feet long.

    Tippet section Fluorocarbon .015 / three feet long.

    Fishing subsurface with streamers and weighted nymphs size 6 to 4 hooks.

    I just know there has to be a flaw in the logic somewhere. It looks too good to me.

    Please advise.
  2. troutdopemagic

    troutdopemagic Active Member

    well, if your fishing a Skagit line with a tip, 3-6 feet of 12-15 lb. Maxima might be a better plan.
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  3. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

    One bit of advice might be, don't use tippet material that tests higher than your backing line. Doesn't look to be the case for you.
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  4. i run straight mono, or maybe a 4-5 feet 30lb test with adjustable bobber, and 12-15lb 2-6feet. i dont think it is necessary to contrapt crazy leaders
  5. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    I would tend to agree with you, Bass. I sometimes just go with a short piece of one or two size leader if the water is dirty.

    I will be using my 8wt 96 single hand rod with a sink tip line.
    If I switch over to my floater, I would go with the pinkbubble and
    similar leader to your description above.
  6. Sean Beauchamp

    Sean Beauchamp Hot and Heavy at yer 6

    In the winter I fish 18"s of 15lb maxima, occasionally stretch it to as far as 36" depending on fly and what I'm trying to do. Simplify. Building a fancy leader requiring mulitple knots is just increasing chance for failure. And a waste of fishing time.

    My bobber leaders are a little more involved but good nymphing requires some basic science.
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  7. Salmo_g

    Salmo_g Active Member


    If you're planning to use that leader on a sink tip line, you're over-thinking and over-building. 3 or 4 feet of whatever pound test you use for tippet is all you need.

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  8. miyawaki

    miyawaki Active Member

    Bottom line. You don't need tapered leaders on sink tips

  9. Thomas Williams

    Thomas Williams Habitual Line Stepper

    I use a 3ft section of a used up tapered leader. I tie a tippet ring on the end so it still has a mild taper and then I can just tie on 2-3 ft of flouro on the end. Turns over a little better but a straight level section of tippet is fine. If you are fishing unweighted flies keep your leader or tippet shorter.
  10. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    Thanks for all of the tips, guys. I think I have my head on straight now.
  11. biere.froide

    biere.froide New Member

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  12. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    I ran across an old leader formula that I got from Dawn Holbrook, back in the 1980's. Dawn was an icon in my fishing circles and in the PNW, with his bamboo rod tapers and construction. A very nice man and a real gentleman. The fishing world lost a true friend when he passed.
  13. Dave Evans

    Dave Evans Active Member

    I use their formulas, or just 60-20-20 when I am in a hurry with 25lb, 20lb, 15lb, tippet. All with maxima. But that is for floating lines.
  14. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Your Preferred Olympic Peninsula Fly Fishing Guide

  15. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    For my sink tip, I tied in a 3 ft single strand of 20# fluorocarbon with a prefection loop on one end and plan on a bug on the 'tother end.

    Working on my floater now.

    Can't find my thingabobbers. Must be in one of my vest pockets, somewhere.
  16. Fishee

    Fishee Member

    with sink, i only use 3 feet of tippet. no more or less.
  17. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    What size tippet?
  18. 8 for finicky 12 or 15 for ideal situations
  19. dont overthink it
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  20. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

    Not to worry with me overthinging something.
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