Source for Bismuth shot

Discussion in 'Cast & Blast' started by Roper, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. Roper Idiot Savant

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    Karl expressed an interest in getting some bismuth shot. I'd think there are several others on the forum that might also be interested.

    I have a fellow that does group buys of Bismuth. He requires at least 50 pounds by committed purchasers. The last group buy he did was 200 pounds. The smallest amount for a person is 5 pounds. 5 pounds will net you 80 one ounce loads, 106 three quarter ounce loads (can you tell sub-gauges are my favorites ?) This equates to a little over a buck a round. Commercial bismuth, if you can find it, runs around $25 for 10 rounds. Going rates at commercial supply houses such as Precision Reloading is around $23.00 a pound. His rate varies around $16-$17 a pound.

    I'm going to try and get another group buy going very soon, I'll be checking on the Upland Journal, 16ga. Society, 28ga. Society, and other upland hunting boards.

    If you are serious about reloading bismuth and want to buy some shot, please reply either here or on a PM to me.

    Details are being gathered and will be shared soon.
  2. Islander Steve

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    I'm in for at least 5lbs. More if needed to make the quota.
  3. Roper Idiot Savant

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    BTW, I have no monetary interest in this, just making bismuth affordable to reloaders. Here's the information from the last group buy. All I do is round up prospective buyers, myself included.

    Who is Phil Lund:
    In his words, "I'm just a fellow hunter/shooter. I wouldn't be sharing/selling my experiences/shot if it wasn't good. Even if the BCC was still in business, I would make and use my own stuff because (besides being cheaper) my testing has shown that my 5-6% stuff is superior to their 3% stuff. I'm not really trying to profit on this stuff. I use it myself, but can't justify all the R&D and production costs for only my personal use. That's why I do it."

    The Bismuth shot he uses:
    His shot is 95/5 (bismuth/tin) compared to the retail shot which is 97/3. As he explains it, "I myself have found 3% tin to be inadequate to reduce fracturing. My testing with unbuffered loads of original BCC factory shot resulted in up to a 20% fracture rate. Buffered loads were much better averaging around 12%. I try to use a 5-6% tin content. This seems to be the best compromise between maximum possible density vs. pellet structural integrity. Unbuffered fracture rates averaged about 11%, and buffered loads dropped to abound 5%. I even had one tested buffered load that often had NO fractures. My pellets are also much more round and free from external defects. I'm not sure on their (BCC) finishing methods, but I run mine in a tumbler for at least six hours. This cleans them up to be a much more 'perfect looking' pellet than I had ever seen from the BCC."


    The Bismuth shot sizes he offers:
    Phil offers the following shot sizes - #7 1/2, #6, #5, and #4. His shot has an average 1oz pellet count of: #6 = 228, #5 = 172, and #4 = 138. We don't have the average pellet count for #7 1/2 but you can ask Phil to provide that information if you desire. His #6, 5, and 4 are a little large compared to retail Bismuth since they about equal the lead count numbers.

    Shipping:
    Please work with Phil on shipping details but this is what he has posted - US Postal Service "Flat-Rate-Boxes" up to 10 lbs for $5 anywhere in the USA. Larger orders (up to 50 lbs) fit in the larger flat rate box for $13.95.

    Payment Options:
    Phil will work with you on payment options and processing.
  4. Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    PM sent.
  5. Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    "Karl expressed an interest in getting some bismuth shot. I'd think there are several others on the forum that might also be interested."

    Roper, how do you handle getting checked in the field for using non-toxic shot?? Do they cut open your shells at random??
  6. Roper Idiot Savant

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    Vladimir, WDFW officers should have meters that they scan over the shell. If it's lead, the meter beeps and you get a ticket. Steel loads can be checked with a magnet.

    I've never been checked, but I'm trying to be frugal and pro-active at the same time.
  7. Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    Thanks I had heard that they were just using a magnet for checking steel or lead.

    Guess that means I better clean out the shells that I use for reloading.

    Vladimir
  8. andrew Active Member

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    I'd be interested. I'd take some in 7.5 and 6....now that a kind soul bought me a reloader for my 16 ga!
  9. Mike Krall New Member

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    I know this thread is nearly a year old, but I'm wondering if any of you are still getting bismuth shot from Paul Lund... or know of another source... or know of information on making your own bismuth shot... or know of a source for bismuth.

    Mike Krall
    Lander, Wyo.
  10. Roper Idiot Savant

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    There's a fellow on the 16ga. Society site that has a group purchase going, check in and get your name on the list...
  11. ribka Active Member

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    Pm sent.
  12. Roper Idiot Savant

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    To me...? Don't see one...
  13. Mike Krall New Member

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    Thank you for that...

    Just got back from a long weekend... I'll go to "16ga." now.

    Mike
  14. Mike Krall New Member

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    "Roper",

    I didn't realize 16ga. Society was a subscription service. Is there any way you know of to contact the group purchase outside of their forum or contact Paul Lund directly?

    Mike
  15. Roper Idiot Savant

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    Mike, just the low pressure group is a subscription, you should be able to access the forums no charge. The reloading forum has a post going where you could tell them what you want to purchase. Try this...

    http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9848
  16. Mike Krall New Member

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    Thanks for the link, Roper. I go back and try again...

    Mike
  17. jcheadle New Member

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    Hope this thread is still available. Am interested in bismuth shot sizes 4,5,2 10 lbs each if price is reasonable (or possibly more).

    Please let me know (jcheadle@reaprsvc.com) if I can participate in a group buy.

    Thanks,

    jcheadle
  18. Roper Idiot Savant

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    JC, I sent you a PM with Phil Lunds contact. He alloys and drops the shot himself. His recent order closed the 17th, but he may still be able to help you.