Spey Cast Fault Question

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  1. Spencer Woods

    Spencer Woods Member

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    Looking for some feedback on what I assunme is a fairly common spey cast fault.

    One in about every 8 casts (at least today) on my forward cast my fly would drill the rod and get tangled up. I assume its the fly .......perhaps the sink tip itself. Frustrated the hell out of me. The other 5 casts were solid. Even when I slowed down and tried to bring things back together it would still happen.

    I've got to be doing something wrong that requires a slight technique change.

    Outside of that- hooked in to a bunch of Chum today on the Green. Was swinging leaches. Fish were everywhere.

    Thanks for any feedback.
     
  2. Jason Chadick

    Jason Chadick A Fish, A Fish, A Fishy, Oh...

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    I have that problem every once and a while and it seems like slowing down and really concentrating on my anchor placement and rod path gets me back in the game.
     
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    I was going to say the same thing as Jason in regards to the anchor placement. That's where I would start looking for the problem. What kind of cast were you trying to make? It doesn't seem very likely that it's the fly or the sink tip, but I'm not an expert.
     
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    Make sure you're not cutting the corner and coming vertical too soon. As they said slowing down and anchor placement are critical pieces.

    GBeeman
     
  5. Spencer Woods

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    I will pay more attention to my anchor placement. That sounds like the most logic reason. Steffan I was doing the Double Spey. When I do the Snap-T..............it never happens. Only when I'm doing the Double Spey is when this challenge haunts me :) Thanks everyone for the feedback.
     
  6. stilly stalker

    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    you need to SLOW DOWN for the double spey. Give it a 3 count while your D loop is on the h2o
     
  7. fredaevans

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    Easy to answer that one. "Form follows function" if you will. What you're doing is bringing the rod tip (out of the 'D loop') forward in to verticle a position (think straight up and down). As your coming forward cant the rod (tip) out 5 -10 degrees until it passes your face. At that point the line/fly is 'committed' to stay off to the side. After the 'past the face' coming into an 'up-right' also moves the rear of the line to the right/left and further gets it out of the way.

    fae
     
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    If your hitting your rod tip you are most likely too vertical on your forward cast, try keeping the tip out to the side off vertical. Simple basic casting rule is that the line follows the rod tip.
     
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    Geez Fred were you reading my mind you beat me to posting by a second lol
     
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    Brill minds all work alike.
    ;>)
     
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    This. Plus, it's interesting you mentioned it never happens with a snap t. That tells me you might be setting your anchor inside of the path of your forward stroke. In other words, if you're right handed, your fly is to the left of the rod path when going forward. A pause like Stilly mentions will definitely help as long as there's enough current to pull it down river far enough to correct it, but more importantly, pay attention when setting your anchor, not to pull it too far. If you do, roll cast down stream and start over.
     
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  12. Spencer Woods

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    This is making sense to me. Thank you! I will give it another go this week or weekend and see if I can take these suggestions to correction.

    Again- appreciate it all very much! Thank you!
     
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  13. Matthew Gulbranson

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    I also agree with the anchor placement folks. Notice where your anchor is when you do a snap-T, and make sure that is where you put your fly when your doing the double. If your anchor is not right, everything else will be affected. If you've got a bad anchor keeping your tip 10 degrees out will still mess you up. I always use the 'train tracks' reference. You want to anchor to be parallel to your rod tip when it's ready to come out of the water and cast. Otherwise it'll cross paths with your rod tip resulting in the tangle, either around your rod or as it's casting. It's also important to note the speed of the water which will be moving your anchor placement. you could be casting just fine in faster water, then move to slower water and run into trouble because the flow is not moving your anchor during your castint stroke. Just my .02
     
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    As Matthew mentions, anchor placement is 'everything.' You hear about folks 'practice casting,' what they're really doing is getting the anchor placement down pat. Think of the tip of your rod as a rifle barrel, the tip is the rear site, the connection between your fly line/leader is the front site. With little leeway that's where your forward stroke should be aimed.

    Hope that makes some sort of sense.
    fae
     
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    As everyone else has said, anchor placement is of paramount importance to the execution of a good DS cast. If the anchor is too close to your body, don't even think about making the cast. It will either hurt you, or hit the rod tip. What I tell people, is to watch the junction between floating line and sinking line.That is the anchor point! Let the river take it down past you before you begin the sweep. The other thing is do not try to cast over the anchor! This is difficult to explain in words. Better to have someone show you.
     
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    Shiiiiiiiiish ... Just because Jimmie could stand, back to the river, and put a cast/fly down in 2 foot of its intended target doesn't mean he know's 'ship.' BEWARE if anything he tells you. HE IS DARTH VADER with a white beard.

    Skywalkers, you have been warned!

    fae
     

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