Spey Rods and Wild Steelhead in December

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by S Gordon Gracey, Dec 30, 2001.

  1. S Gordon Gracey New Member

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    I just had to post a good report re the Olympic Peninsula's Hoh River.
    My good friend, fishing partner and fellow guide, Pat Graham, had a stellar day with his client john. They were using the big two handed bug rods on their float from Morgans crossing to the Oxbow campgound and landed 4 fresh wild steelhead and 2 semi decent Silvers! the string leech and a pattern we have dubbed "bruiser" were the hotties. The Hoh has finally settled out, there has been a whole lot of color running through this river recently from the massive deluges we've had earlier in December but all bodes well now for the upcoming Wild Winter run. you can see the pic's at[www.fishingnorthwest.com/guides.htm] HAPPY HOLIDAYS to all. :THUMBSUP
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    Welcome Mr. Gracey to the best flyfishing forum around.

    Great subject with solid info, but...

    Speaking as a member of this forum community, I am somewhat troubled by the post's hidden commercialism. Possibly you might consider becoming a "Sponsoring Contributor" to this forum, whereupon this old man would shut up about the perceived commerciallism.

    I have been to the site, link posted, on several occasions, and have liked what I have seen. Truly, I value your input and would like to see more in this forum. I would also like to see your further participation through sponsorship. :THUMBSUP

    - An old man sticking his neck out (ever notice how the neck sticks out further as the old shoulders begin their gerentological sag) and prepared to take the bruising onslot from fellow members for finding and exercising his shrill voice. :DUNNO
  3. Chris Scoones Administrator

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    Forum Etiquette

    Thanks stumpfisher for the support helping to draw the etiquette line. For your information I did discuss it with Gordon and it's really not a problem. He's a just a forum usage newbie and happy to adjust.

    I'm a bit partial to supporting guides in any way I can so I'll let his post stand as is this time.

    You made a good point so no risk to your exposed neck. :WINK

    ~Chris
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    Thanks, Chris, for your deference to my exposed neck. :COOK

    Frankly, I was hoping for a members' debate and appeal on this one. A quick discussion about commercial posting followed by a warm and overwhelming invitation from the membership for Gordon to give us his gots on a regular basis. As I stated, Gordon has much to pass on to us all and I wish to vigorously encourage his support of this forum(in a manner of his choosing).

    Far be it from me to chastize anyone for any manner of etiquette on posting -- I'm sure I have uni[n]tentionally offended a few with some of my earlier ramblings, off-color or otherwise. Besides, who generally would gain the most from his posts? ME! As all probably know by now, I am not too proficient with my wonderpole (i.e., I still suck at spey casting) and I have yet to land a steelhead with it; I can use all the help I can get. Again, whether as a regular fellow member or as a contributing sponsor, I welcome Gordon and wholeheartedly encourage his active participation.

    -An old man with a seriously underused wonderpole (it's in the corner staring at me now, sinister, taunting me, challenging me...) :DUNNO
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    Stumpfisher. If you live in the Lynnwood Area. Contract Teds Sporting goods as they have a rep from Sage Going to give a demenstration on how to cast with spey rods. The cost is 60.00 I think. I'm not to sure when but It is soon. I was going to buy a spey set up but decieded against it. Going to stick to the single hand rod. I can handle that one. Jim S. :THUMBSUP
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    Thanks for the info, Jim, but that's about a two hour drive for me (Upper Skagit @ Marblemount). I just got the RIO video on International Spey Casting and intend to spend a great deal of "Down Time" viewing it.

    One of my biggest mistakes was when I tried my heaviest sink tip and bushiest fly at the start. Between this added drag and fighting with technique issues, I put myself into a funk. I'll get this sucker down soon enough, I believe, by starting at the basics and practising, practising. And I still got the forum for inspirational and instructional help - you know, with guys like yourself being there when I need it. :THUMBSUP

    Thanks again,

    -Steven
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    Hey Stumpfisher. I noticed that you keep saying that you are an old man. Is that just a figure of speech or are you. You said that your from Marblemont. Do you fish those smaller streams up there in the Summer. I've tried Bacon Creek several times but all I caught were small fish. I've seen summer runs in there but I wasn't fishing for big fish at the time. If your retired like I am,maybe we could get together some time and we could go fishing. Jim S. :THUMBSUP
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    Both. I'm 51 with a young family - my 14 year old son likes calling me that so I kinda use it too. Not meant as disrepect either, I'd sit hard on his head otherwise. Playful and tolerant old man I suspect.

    Mostly retired and just getting back into flyfishing after many years hiatus. Learning a lot has changed during this lull yet most is still the same. Those small streams you mention are prone to very small fish. Its their burden that their homewaters are those waters which bear the weight of man's harvest on the resources. Considering the geography and torrential deluge, this combination takes quite a continuing toll on the streams health and productivity. Bottom line, the food change is in a constant state of flux and often nonexistent. Exteme conditions resulting in small trout. Or at least this is my spin on it...

    Get together? Hey that sounds good, but it would have to be put off until Spring at the earliest. By then I should have a handle on my wonderpole and a new single hander for dunking a few dries. :TONGUE

    I have a fair amount of footage on the Skagit and if you are into camping and such, drop me a line through the forum's user message system anytime.

    Steven
    -Some rotten teenager's old man :LOVEIT
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    Bottom line: Drag was the issue here. I was trying to initiate the casting sequence (Reverse Snap-T) with far too much leader and fly - Fat marabou Popsicle - underwater. :EEK

    I should have been stripping in more line so as to raise the trailing line/leader to the surface. Unfortunately, I didn't have all that much line out to begin with which by itself degraded the casting effort.

    I actually started the day's casting rather well. I cast using the floatline/shooting head with a short mono leader and smallish #4 fly which I had cutoff at the hook bend. Then I jumped to heaviest tip and bushiest fly with hook intact and met total chaos.

    BTW - Welcome to the business side of this forum. It should be a good fit for all and your support of the forum is appreciated. :COOK

    Steven
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    I just thought I drop a line to you. I'm 66 so to be 67. My granddaughter calls me an old man also.But your only old if you feel that way. I don't live close to you either as I reside in Marysville. But I try to fish alot of different streams as I can. Jim S. :BIGSMILE
  11. circlespey Member

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    Hey, it's good to see my smiling face on the web! Seriously, I had a solid day with these guys and I'm sure they meant no harm on the commercial post. I'm glad to see the discipline, however. Some other forums have become guide/flyshop advertisements.

    As for the above discussions of spey casting, I actually find that learning with a sinktip (maybe not the heaviest one you have) teaches you better form and timing. The tip becomes your anchor off the d-loop, and you can really tell if you are going slow or fast or haven't made the correct loop off either shoulder. It does take slightly longer to learn, but take your medicine. The first season (summer) I had my spey rod I fished a floating line and then it took me several days to learn on the tip in the middle of prime winter fishing. I wish I had started with a tip.

    Another interesting point is that I only really learned good form with the big rod when I bought a 12 foot 6 weight for summer runs; there is much less excess power with that stick, so I really had to get the form down before I could throw heavy flies or a tip with it(which I do now for dollies, etc. all the time).
  12. S Gordon Gracey New Member

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    Thanks for the info, please excuse my apparent faupa' in posting to this board, I'm truly sorry if I pulled the hackles back on your quill. As a famous chief once said " from where I post, I shall link no more (to commercial sites)" or something like that. Anyway the pictures to which I was refering can be seen here along with a couple
    of fly patterns that have been fairly productive. The black and blue Schlappen & Marabou "Bruiser" pattern has been good in the heavier water in contrast to the classic heron hackle Spey which works very well in a very shallow tailout holding lie. Various bunny leech patterns and such have also done the job. Steve, truth be told the fly pattern has the least amount of influence when it comes to consistantly picking Steelhead with a Spey Rod, the three primary factors are as follows: Dexterity development=precise rod control=(this is most important) line control, both airialized and on the water = proper presentation, now the fly pattern becomes imortant. And always fish water that you are confident about, not just water were you know there are fish seeing your fly but, and this is THE BIGGIE, water were the fish will snap. There are miles and miles of river that will "hold" Steelhead but only a small percentage of this water is "snappy fish water". Why this is I truely don't know, but it is a fact. The Rio spey casting video you mentioned / have is an excellent choice and if you want a good read on Speyfishing/casting there's a real decent book out called "The Art & Science of Speyfishing" by M Maxwell, there's a video that corralates with this book but it's not nearly as good as the Rio video. Oh and here's a tip on tips, especially if your just beginnig to throw a two hander, dump em until your proficient with the dry line and stick to the shallow water for a while. Tips are essential for certain water but it is also essential that you do not use to heavy of a tip, if you do you'll be forever snaking through the rocks and making your own trench along the bottom of the river.
    Once again please excuse the link to a commercial site.:BLUSH