softwater, While I agree that the steelhead flyfishing community is more diverse than ever, I dont think your characterization is necessarily accurate. I dont think the way people present a fly to the fish is necessarily an accurate gauge of how someone conducts themselves in terms of conservation. My time in the sport is admittedly short as I am a young man just getting started, however I have observed what I would characterize as a prevailing trend of short cut taking. It seems to me our society is full of short cuts and how your average angler approaches fishing is simply a relfection of that. One last point. While I was not fishing for steelhead in the "good old days" when men were men and steelheaders were steelheaders in the truest sense of the word, I cant be sure. But is it possible that the present state of the steelhead flyfishing community is simply a relfection of a shift in popular angling culture? So while 20 years ago many anglers had the same values/priorities as now, most of them were gear anglers, so flyfishermen could feel superior. Look I love flyfishing for steelhead as much as the next guy, and while I tend to put the past on a pedestal, I dont think its always warranted. Besides, on the bright side, we all know flyfishermen catch less steelhead than gear guys....so more fish for you right?:beer2: Tightlines, Will Gt- check out the www.nativefishsociety.org there is a ton of information on there regarding hatchery v. wild and even some info on integrated stock management.