Steelhead or Salmon.?? ..please help w ID

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  1. hap

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    Take a wander through any of these photos. they are all pretty much in order from a Google search for "Coho salmon images." I linked the ones that showed colored fish with lots more kype and less color, identified hens with kypes, and others that showed enough clarity to help make the point. The only fish I left out were chromers, pretty much.

    If anyone has trouble understanding my point after looking at a few of these images I do not know what to say.

    I am not saying it absolutely is a hen, but I would bet good money it is and take my chances.
    art

    http://voycecanada.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/coho-salmon.jpg

    http://alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/genetics/images/coho1.jpg

    http://www.alaska-adventures.net/image_support/images/coho_stan_small.jpg

    http://soundwaves.usgs.gov/2006/07/BigCohoLG.jpg

    http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/resources/usfws/cohomale.jpg/medium.jpg

    http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildwatch/salmoncam/graphics/hatchery/male_coho.jpg

    http://www.alaskalogcabininn.com/Pictures/Sports/salmon_coho.jpg

    http://www.deltanewsweb.com/archives/images/20021016_coho.jpg

    I guided for this outfit back in the '80s and just stumbled on the new website. Hoppy, the Matser Guide back then, sold this some years ago;
    http://images.google.com/imgres?img...oho+salmon&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&sa=N&start=200

    Male and female side by side;
    http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/images/species/Salmon/cohofresh.jpg

    Identified female with far less color than the posted fish;
    http://www.esablawg.com/esalaw/ESBlawg.nsf/images/KRII-7DQ5C8/$File/CohoSalmonFemale.jpg

    Bright male with far more kype than the pictured fish;
    http://www.crystalcreeklodge.com/images/silverheadshot.gif
     
  2. Big Tuna

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    It appears the fish was an incidental catch. He asked a freakin' simple question. Maybe he hasn't caught a lot of male coho. I've never fished for salmon, so have little knowledge about them. There's always someone waiting in the wings to start bitching about something. Some of y'all need to get a life.
     
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    Was that directed at me?
     
  4. WaFlyCaster

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    I can see both OMJ point of view and others who are defending the original poster. This forum is for getting your questions answered big and small, easy and complex. People should not get shit on for asking the simple questions, BUT they should do a LITTLE research prior to asking a question. This was by all means an easy identification if taking two minutes to look at pg 72 of the reg book(fish almost looks identical to the one in the image for coho). IMHO people should def be familiar with fish ID prior to ever stepping foot on a local river. If not, how can one properly follow the regulations if planning on harvesting keepable fish???
     
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    Also agree the fish does more closely resemble a hen than a buck...but i have seen a few small bucks that dont have much of a kype similar to the photo.
     
  6. hap

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    A river I fished a lot this past fall had the coho limit raised to 10 per day... It was incredible fishing for a long time. Few get to catch as many coho in a lifetime as I did this past year. I had double digit days on dries several times. We fished a lot of different rivers and caught lots everywhere.

    There is a tiny chance the fish is a male... But odds are it is a hen.
    art
     
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    I'm only going to slaughter you because you stole my joke.

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    ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    Dude you were able to raise fish there?!! Nice!
     
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    all their pictures look right to me. which are you saying is wrong?


    forgot the quote. this comment is a reply to the below..


     
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    Very rarely do I post in threads like this, but when I see people slamming others I get irritated. This forum was created for everyone to share their fishing experience, thoughts, trips, gear etc... It’s a informative place for all of us to learn. Some will have a greater learning curve then others as they experience the wonders of fly-fishing. I don't see why folks have to make comments that come across in a derogatory manner. I would agree that we all should have a basic understanding of the fish we fish for, and for obvious reasons at that. I think we all could agree that pictures are one thing, but actually going out and catching the fish is another. There are many different stages fish go through and it can at times be difficult to ID fish especially if they are in between phases, and if you are learning. The guy asked a simple question. Help him learn.
     
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    Well, here is a hint. There are only two fish in the picture so right away you have a 50-50 shot of being right or wrong. Look for the tell-tale signs; black gums and heavy pearlescence in the tail.
     
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    i went to their website and looked at all of the pictures. heh.

    The ones in the coho pics look like coho's to me. the thick tail wrist and long extended anal fin rays both say coho for the fat bright fish on top. coho's can have dark mouths too. most of the websites pictures are too low detail to really look at tail spotting.
     
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    You are right about the ability to detect spotting patterns in most pictures. In the one I'm referring to, the anal fin is not extending but retracted so that won't help in identification although you are correct, an extended anal fin is a great way to differentiate between coho and Chinook. As coho sexually mature, the area around their mouths can darken along with their bodies, but typically the inside still stays white or gray. However, in ocean fish like the one I'm referring too, there is a HUGE difference in color between the gum line of coho and Chinook.
     
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    Ok, one big question for you if you've handled SOOOOOOOO many spawner silver salmon. There is one big distiguishing thing that makes me think this is a buck. That's all I'll say. If you've handled as many, you'd spot it RIGHT NOW! Hint:it's not the kype. ;)
     
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    Hap,

    You seem like a great dude. If you ever make it back to Ellensburg, let me know and I'll buy. I like your sticktuitiveness on your opinions even if they are wrong. :rofl:

    However, I gotta disagree with you again on the coho being a female. I have had the opportunity to spawn a few coho. Aside from the partial kype and color, another feature of spawning salmonids is the difference in belly between bucks and does. Bucks look and feel like picking up a 2 X 4, very solid and square. Hens have a soft, sagging belly from the maturing eggs within. Obviously I didn't feel that particular fish but the underside of the fish posted has more of a solid look than saggy.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    The one on the top looks like a King (chinook). Both of them don't look so fresh
     
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    Male Coho for sure
     
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    OM, at least the guy fishes as opposed to being a force of negative energy on a flyfishing forum. Worthless.
     
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    wow...positive thread guys.
     
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