Summer steelhead

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Dave Hartman, Jun 6, 2007.

  1. Dave Hartman is tired of trout

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    Whitefish, MT
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    Is anyone fishing the rivers yet?
    Can anyone point me in the right direction to fish tomorrow? In particular, is there a stretch of river I can float with some assurance that the fish are there?
    Does anyone want to join me?
  2. Panhandle Active Member

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    Damn, throw this guy a bone:eek:
  3. PT Physhicist

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    Some runs hold fish while others are just traveling lanes. I can't tell you which runs will have fish in them. But, if you float the Stilly or Sky and fish thru 5-10 runs in a day you will have presented your fly to more fish than you might have imagined.

    Fish either river, get your fly down, and cover as many "holes" as you can in a day. That's what it's all about.

    Good luck.:thumb:
  4. James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    It's been slow... I caught a fish on the Cowlitz as well as Steelie Mike in the last 2 weeks.... Have you called the guys out on the Kalama for a report yet? I haven't heard a whole lot about that... Additionally, the S rivers have been blown, so if you aren't hearing a whole lot, that may be one of the reasons....
  5. Josh Benjamin Member

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    duvall, wa
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    the sky is at a fishable level...not sure what the color is. there have been fish caught in there before it really puked. all about the fly can probably tell you if the river is really fishing, but the level is good if the clarity is there.
  6. Coach Duff Banned or Parked

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    Kailua Hawaii
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    "Is there a run that usually holds fish?" Now we have officially reached the point of no return on this website. I'll probably be the asshole here, but go figure that one out for yourself. Rods, reels, lines, flies, casting methods, technique, that's all fine, but asking what runs hold fish is officially crossing the line. Do you want to flyfish, or are you a proud member of the instant gratiification club, which most of the guys on this site have tried to avoid being a part of most of their life. Hint---that is why they took up flyfishing for steelhead. And don't reply with the old "I didn't mean to offend anyone" thread either. Most importantly, when you figure out where they lie and catch one yourself, the light might come on and you will see clarity on why we live for this shit. Tight lines, there's your "bone." Coach
  7. Dave Hartman is tired of trout

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    Wow. The only thing I was really hoping for was a "I fished the Sky today and the fish are in".
    Tell me this forum is typically more friendly than "Coach Duff" is.
  8. Zen Piscator Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.

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    Missoula, MT
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    No one is fishing the rivers yet.

    Seriously, just get on the water. It will help out alot, being out there is what it is all about.
  9. Will Atlas Guest

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    I've fished the past two mornings on one of the S-Rivers. The water is really high, which limits wading and the visibilty was about 2 feet this morning. Not impossible to catch a fish but not easy. I heard of people seeing fish roll on the Sky before it blew, but its been pretty rugged flow wise the past few days. I might not be quite as abrasive but I agree with Duff in a sense, no one is going to tell you what run to fish, especially considering the volume of readers on this board and the fact that they dont know you. I would say, do a float, cover water and follow your instincts. You stand a decent chance of catching a fish if you do that....also. avoid weekends if possible
  10. Dave Hartman is tired of trout

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    “And don't reply with the old "I didn't mean to offend anyone" thread either.”
    Does this mean you don’t want to fish with me tomorrow?
    “. . .catch one yourself, the light might come on and you will see clarity on why we live for this shit.”
    Dude, what? How seriously do you take yourself? It’s fishing.

    You know what the problem with these forums are is that they provide an opportunity for people to forget that they are talking to real people, because they themselves are obscured from the reality of a real, face to face conversation. Coach Duff, I seriously doubt you would say what you wrote if I were to ask you in person, “Where should I fish tomorrow?” I doubt you would think I had “crossed (some sort) of line.” You would see a real person. You could tell that I was new to the area, and you’d generally want to help. I doubt you’d think to yourself, “Wo! You can ask me about gear and casting techniques and maybe even fly patterns, but don’t dare ask me where I’ve been catching fish!” No, you’d check you ego and be the nice guy you probably are. But instead, here’s what happened. You took one look at my newbie status so clearly labeled “New to board” and you judged me. You thought I was an amateur fisherman. And then you saw an opportunity to make yourself look better by making me look dumb. You even went so far to assume that I haven’t caught a steelhead before. You assume that I am part of some instant grat club. That’s unbelievable. Almost makes me want to defend myself, but then, I would be playing your game, the bigger penis game. And I’m sorry, but I won’t go there.
    But I will say, I’ve walked into flyshops in over 20 states and a handful of countries and asked “Where should I fish?” Once or twice I asked for a guide. But most of the time, I figured it out for myself. And when I was managing a fly shop in Montana, never did I tell a customer he had “crossed the line” when he asked for a place to fish.
    Duff, I AM sorry I offended you. I thought this forum might be a friendlier place. My bad.
    Thanks to those who did offer some help.
  11. Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    Welcome to the board. Note the Coach's "byline" is "sensitivity coach." :rofl:

    I never don't get freaked out by the out-of-control population explosion going on in the Puget Sound area every time I drive into it...freeway is always jammed and the 'burbs expanding continuously.
    I don't mind sharing with another fly fisher, but I wouln't rat out where the fish are on a public forum unless it was already a well known and usually crowded place, and I wasn't planning on going there in the near future, myself.

    But I'll throw you and everyone else a bone....avoid the Wynoochee....we floated it Tuesday from Black Creek to the Chehalis, and we saw nary a steelie. We looked hard. Flows only about 300cfs. Only had to drag the boat over a short dry section of bar around the top of one downed tree spanning the entire river. I caught one 3" coho smolt and a 10" cutty...heavy stuff on the 6 wt. Lots of suckers in the deep slow holes...could see the small schools of them...except for a few smolts and that one cutthroat...seemed like they were the only fish in the river. Nice day for a row and float, except no fish.

    Good luck and don't let the bs get ya down.
  12. yuhina Tropical member

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    I agree, the "Misunderstanding" is the common "Mystery" of the internet. There are lot's of misunderstandings and not necessarily offense just generated through a normal conversation. (Because we can not see each other... the facial appearance is so important for human communication - anthropologist say... ) However, there is also one important character about the internet - a Public forum... I might share my secret spots to a stranger that I bumped into on the riverside...(if he looks polite) , but I won't do it on the internet...

    Just my opinion for your reference...:beer2:

    Yuhina
  13. James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    I wouldn't get to worried about this stuff :) I think that Duff is who he is and is one of our resident grouches :) But he's a capable fisherman and while his heart is in the right place, tact is not part of the delivery. In fact is shows in his fishing as I've heard he gave up on floating lines all together and just started to use a 85' head of T14 and a 9" whitefish pattern :) :)

    Other than that, in his defense, you asked if there was a run that consistently held fish. I wouldn't say that you crossed a line, but it was a question I probably wouldn't answer... No big....

    See you on the river :)

    -- Cheers
    -- James
  14. CovingtonFly B.O.H.I.C.A. bend over here it comes again

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    The question you want to ask, especially being a new guy, is "I've got some time tomorrow to chase some steel, I'm new around here but have been fishing for awhile, any suggestions?"
    Then you'll get some responses about what rivers are blown, what's looking good, welcome to the board...etc.
    The way you phrased your opening question was poor at best. I could see Coach's response coming from a mile away and I'm half blind, wall eyed and all hopped up on lit' debbies and Old Milwaukee
  15. HauntedByWaters Active Member

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    As someone who has fished for steelhead for most of my life in these PNW "S" rivers, I gotta say that these newbie questions are a little peevish to even me but I have to assume you don't know a lot about steelhead yet but here is the thing:

    I always fish for steelhead any time anywhere I am fishing no matter the time of the year. These fish aren't like salmon as much as people think and they are pretty much always around, more or less, if you know where to look and what to do. Most hardcore steelhead fishermen know this. So to answer your question just read some books do some research and go fishing. Even if the best run of the last 10 years with the best fishing conditions possible happened this weekend, you probably still wouldn't hook a fish, trust me. This is not a simple, predictable fishery, at least around here. Anyway, good luck to you! The best steelhead fishermen just enjoy fishing, NOT catching.
  16. Josh Benjamin Member

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    good post buehler. that makes more sense than any of the other ones.
    you hit the nail on the head.
    go fish.
  17. gearhead Active Member

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    Wooley, don't let the jerks bother ya, there are some unfriendlies here, but i think they spend most of thier time cramming gravel up their arss, and making diamonds. lot of us willing to share here. heck i'll even point out a rock if i can. i figure the more the better, don't let the malcontents bother ya. last year i got shouted at by an 8 year old, who already responded to you above, for mentioning that i was getting into fish on the green river, so ya just gotta get used to it, don't give up.
    Sorry don't have a tip for ya now though. The Cedar has fish and plenty of shore, but you want to pick cooler, rainy days. there is a heck of a hillbilly hatch when the sun comes out. at the risk of being banned for life i can recommend a site that has a mix of fly and gear fishers that are super friendly to eachother, and bitching, crying and whining is a rarety, they don't talk about the trees, warming or bitch about oil or Bush. (gamefishin.com), it's mostly a gear show, but informative as to where the fish are. this is the site to learn how to catch them. however the shear rudeness unfriendlyness and ivory tower, elitist speaker talk is waning. lately i have been feeling the site, should be renamed Waaaa.F.F
  18. Salmo_g Active Member

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    Wooleybugger74,

    It looks like you're new to the area. Here's some additional perspective that is a brutal contrast to your prior Montana. As a resident of Pugetropolis, fishermen outnumber steelhead by at least 100 to 1. Steelheaders are addicts, much like trout bums. But a critical difference is that the most skilled among us still catch few fish compared to trouting. Because we're addicts, yes, some of us have been fishing, even if most of the rivers are not in good shape for it. To the extent that you're asking about steelheading, just understand that assurance is not part of the equation at this time of year. By the 4th of July there will be fishable numbers of summer steelhead in any river that gets a run of summer fish. To the extent that you're asking about trout fishing, please understand that there is next to no significant resident trout fishing in streams in western WA. The best is the Yakima, which is east of Snoqulamie Pass. The next best is probably the Cedar, which has become a local celebrity river that offers quality CNR trout fishing during June-August, and is close to the urban area. Expect to witness some attrocious behavior near easy accesses. Check the stream gage to see if it's too high to fish. The forks of the Snoqualmie offer trout fishing, but are probably very high with spring runoff for a few weeks. The Green River is near the urban area, has summer steelhead, a few have been caught, but it would be misleading to say the "run is in" yet.

    This BB is a good place. Expect people to treat you as rudely as your close friends do, in a Coach Duff sort of way. Expect a lot of sharing, but not so many handouts, if you understand what I mean.

    Good luck.

    Sincerely,

    Salmo g.
  19. James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    That's kinda funny that you recommend that site :) It's one of the places I troll to find out info on where to fish. Sure they do give you info like that but the posts tend to be boring as they fall under 3 different categories.

    1) Here is some fish porn, followed by 1000 "Nice fish posts".

    2) Where do I go, followed by 100 different replies some which are relavent, others that are not

    3) Here is a hot tip

    It's a nice site unto itself, but to say they don't have bitching and moaning is probably less than accurate. One of the longest threads *I've* ever seen on a BB online was dedicated to the SolFly tourney put on by another board PiscatorialPursuits. I think it topped like 1000+ posts and it was just one huge bitch fest.

    Gamefishin' isn't a bad place to go, and I like I said, I frequent it. But in general they don't have as much fish advocacy, nor do folks like Salmo_g, Will Atlas, Smalama hang out there so much. Because of that, there is a lot of "misinformation" about habitat issues, escapement requirements and other scientific info. For instance it is a reoccuring theme on that site that mortality related to catch and release is well in excess of 70%. Total BS, and something that won't go away (no matter how many biologists tell them otherwise). But for easy pickin's on the hotspot of the day, not a bad place to visit. And additionally there are lots more salt water folks there too.

    Why do I say all of this? Because, you should (IMO) pick and choose what you want from each site and ignore the rest. You'll find some of the best scientific data and be closer to some of the movers and shakers for fish advocacy here than you will be at gamefishin'. But for easy to access reports and places to go, gamefishin' is a better choice.

    -- Cheers
    -- James
  20. Hillbilly Redneck wishin i was fishin

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    Here's my bone.

    The N.F. Stilly is in great fishing shape right now. Pretty sure it's fishable from top to bottom. Personally I would concentrate on the water above Oso as the early steelhead tend to bolt upstream. It's early in the season to expect big numbers but the river is very wadable and pressure seems light right now. Oh yeah, the smart money says the Fortson hole has at least one fish holding in it:)