The Prince Nymph?

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  1. GAT

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    Can someone give me the ingredients for the pattern called a Prince Nymph?
     
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    Doug Prince invented it. Right? Simply tell me the ingredients that Doug used. I'm not being sarcastic in the least. (hint, the ingredients you used in your SBS are wrong... this is just a little fly tying quiz)
     
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    goose biots, peacock herl, gold rib...brownish hackle
     
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    Nope. Try again. The colors aren't even close.
     
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    I pose this question to fly tyers from time to time and someone does end up with the correct ingredients. Doug Prince did invent the Prince Nymph and it works really well, but it is not what tyers today call a Prince Nymph. It's a fly tying history test.
     
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    I'll send one of my last remaining cartoon books to whoever answers the question correctly... except for Eric because I already told him.
     
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    Here you go.
     
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    Sorry, Jeff, that isn't what Doug Prince named The Prince Nymph.

    I caught the largest rainbow I've ever caught in a river (The Metolius) at 25-inches long with a Prince Nymph created by Doug Prince.
     
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    Okay, how about this;
    Prince Nymph

    Originally called by Doug Prince the "Brown Forked Tail Nymph"
    Hook sizes 6’s to 12’s – standard length and weight and in 2x and 3x long for larger sizes. 2x stout in the smaller sizes preferred.
    Black Thread
    Tail – Dyed Rit Cocoa Brown, flared and forked biots, one to either side of the hook shank, tied not over ½”long from where tied in where bend of hook starts. Biots are the short sides of the 1st t or primary flight wing quill feather from a white goose.
    Body – 2 to 6 long, peacock herls (depending on hook size) for the Prince nymph, tied closely and tightly.
    Ribbing – Medium to fine flat gold tinsel for the Prince nymph, 4 or 5 turns.
    Hackle – 2 to 4 turns Mahogany or Dark brown. Clip off top hackle barbule4s close to body, prior to wing application.
    Wing – White (same material as used for tail, only natural white). Criss-cross at head to extend out from body in the form of a ‘V’ at an angle of about 30 degrees.
     
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    Nope. Doug Prince did invent that pattern, but he did not call it a Prince Nymph. The pattern ingredients are for a pattern he called something else.

    I'll give you guys a half hour from now and if no one gets it, I'll tell you the history of the pattern and the ingrediants... it's really a damned good pattern and no one, other than myself and a few others who know the story, uses it these days.
     
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    Black rabbit fur dubbing
    brown goose or turkey biots
    white biots
    gold tinsel
    peacock herl
    brown partrige hackle
     
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    Yup, Doug Prince created that pattern... but he didn't call it a Prince Nymph. You may have to look at some old pattern books to get the answer. The new pattern books are all incorrect.
     
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    Brown Forked Tail
     
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    YES! Now, what's the ingredients to the real Prince Nymph?
     
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    Okay, I've messed with you guys long enough.

    The first pattern originated by Doug Prince that he named The Prince Nymph has 2 black goose biots (forked), fine silver oval tinsel rib, BLACK dyed ostrich herl body, 2 white goose biots for the wing and a black hackle. This is the pattern he named The Prince Nymph and unfortunately, the actual pattern got mixed up with a second fly he created that he called The Brown Forked Tail.

    The Brown Forked Tail is what everyone now calls a Prince Nymph.

    I became very interested in the history of patterns when I was writing my fly tying column and I used old pattern books (published closer to when the patterns were originally tied) and found some interesting tidbits.

    Soooo.... you really aren't using a Prince Nymph if it has a peacock herl body, you're using a Brown Forked Tail.

    Tie up some genuine Prince Nymphs and give them a try... they work!

    Next quiz will be in regards to who originated the Royal Coachman and how... but that's for another thread.
     
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    They worked very well for Lake Ontario runups back in '96.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
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    Gene, your killing me. So post # 9 (from FFF's page on him) is wrong?
     
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    Yup. Eric Leiser was not only a fly tyer but a historian of fly patterns. In 1987 he published a book titled The Book of Fly Patterns. He gives a history of many of the patterns in the book. Sometimes, as time goes on, the real history gets a little skewed. The trick is to find pattern books that were published close to the time the originator of the patterns first tied them.

    Doug Prince did indeed originate both patterns but for some reason, the black pattern disappeared and the Brown Forked Tail took the place of the Prince Nymph.

    Scott has the pattern correct. THAT is a Prince Nymph. (I tie mine with a darker black body)

    The next time you're in a fly shop, ask them for a Prince Nymph. When they try and sell you a Brown Forked Tail, tell them no, you want a Prince Nymph :)
     
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    Nice.:)
    I like to mess with the guys at avid.
     

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