Dan you are way ahead of me in the shots in the elbow. I feel for you I know what the one that I had was like. I came on this forum because I thought it would be like another forum that I was a major part of for 8 or 9 years. That was Jamslongboard.com. It was a place where newbies could ask questions about different types of long boards. I as an old time longboader I did all I could to give as much information to the new guys about the equipment and how use it. There are some real great guys on this forum, but I'm sure there are a lot more out there that just hang and try to get info on where to go get fish. If more people loosen up and just try and be helpful this could be a great place to learn what fly fishing is all about. On the Cut thread a guy had a nice pix of a hog on the deck of an alum boat. A guy told him it was not a good thing, but he did it nicely. This is how we new guys learn don't tear us a new one when we make a mistake. We are not trying to do things wrong at least I'm not anyway.