"Ever yell at your wife cuz the Sox went 7-20 in the month of September..." What, are you nuts? Like a friend of mine said after he saw my nice, sweet, smiling wife get pissed off "You don't want to piss that woman off, she'll cut you." About the attitude's of those fishing, it's amazing and sad. I chat up anyone, anywhere, doing anything. That includes all forms of fishermen and non-fishermen. Try walking to or from the point at LP (that secret WS spot) without someone walking toward you who wants to know how your fishing was. Hell, I'll even talk with a few of the guys I've met through this forum. I've met a few snobs on the water, all two-handers, who were just rude. So, rude is rude, asshole is asshole. You would think a group of people who obviously love the same sport regardless of how played would enjoy encountering each other on the water. I will say this, a few of the stunts I saw guys pull running their boats through fish schools that people fishing on a local river would get them shot in coastal Georgia and I'm not joking. I refuse to withdraw my pattern of reaching out and befriending those who would have me for fear of encountering an asshole. Now watch, my next trip on the water I'll be overwhelmed with assholes. Thanks Evan. Edit addition: Charles: I just happened to be listening to ESPN while I was tying some flies and now I understand the 20-7 issue. Man, those Reds really know how to choke in the stretch, don't they? I mean, I'm not a baseball fan but what they did was totally AWFUL. That has got to just ruin your whole year. There, feel better now?