Thompson river steelhead need your help.

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  1. Big K1

    Big K1 Large Member

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    This is something I am posting from Tyler Kushnir up in B.C.
    Please take a second and email or call these people and tell
    them how ridiculous opening this fishery would be with the
    state of the Thompson River Steelhead.

    Thanks,

    Kevin

    Chum Fishery Threatens The Thompson


    It is absolutely unbelievable! In the face of the 2nd worst Thompson Steelhead runs on record DFO has okayed a commercial chum salmon opening for Wednesday Oct. 20th! This is squarely in the heart of the time that all the best science indicates is the prime window of migration through the lower Fraser.

    The Provincial Fisheries MWLAP have repeatedly stood agianst such openings - their concern is steelhead, the Federal Fisheries - DFO has jurisdiction over salmon - and they don't care about the steelhead.

    This is outrageous, sportfishermen are shut down as even a catch and release fisherey is deemed too dangerous to the health of the run and DFO schedules an opening. We are trying to rally the troops to register our outrage, but with less than two days notice until the opening there is not much time. This has not even been announced yet - this info is a hot leak... It is clear they didn't want us to have time to organize. The newspapers have been contacted and messages are out on bulletin boards - we need some emrgency troops!

    Right now we must flood DFO's phone lines with protests ...the Dirctor Generals office is 604 666-6098...(Paul McGillvary)...or any and every other Lower Fraser manager...Devona Adams has often been very helpful....but now seems to think its no big deal...604 666-6512.

    Paul McGillvary's e-mail is macgillivrayp@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
    Devona Adams e-mail is adamsd@dfo-mpo.gc.ca


    If you have fished the Thompson - or ever hope to fish it in the future take some time and make the effort.

    __________________
    Tight lines - tyler.

    Thompson River Refugee
     
  2. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    Tyler, Im all over it!
     
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    This decision is beyond stupid. I just sent my e-mail in.
     
  4. Tungsten Muddler

    Tungsten Muddler New Member

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    Help!!!!!!!!!!

    Help! please we need as many emails and phone calls as possible! Please don't forget to mention how much you guys spend when you come up here to chase the Mighty Thompson Steelhead!

    Thanks very much, T.M.
     
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    got it done. mww
     
  6. BOBLAWLESS

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    Imagine the Thompson, arguably the most beautiful piece of water in the entire West, being down to less than a hundred steelhead by some estimates and now they pull this: selling off some chums and trading in what could be their last few fish.

    Bob, the I Ain't goin' North no mo. :mad:
     
  7. Big K1

    Big K1 Large Member

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    Here is a little update. They started netting today. :mad:
    If you haven't called the #'s or emailed yet please do.

    Thanks,
     
  8. Big K1

    Big K1 Large Member

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    Latest info

    Here is the latest info I got from Dana Sturn at speypages.
    There is alot of email addresses to send another letter to.
    Now it is time to send your letter of displeasure to the politicians.
    Thank you everyone for helping.

    Kevin


    We've entered a critical time. We have DFO's attention, however we have no indication that they will respond to our concerns. Despite our efforts, the chum fishery went ahead yesterday, and DFO is considering additional openings. We now need to increase the pressure to make certain that they think long and hard before going ahead with another gillnet fishery in the Fraser.

    Over the past 48 hours hundreds, perhaps thousands, of phone calls and emails from around the world have arrived at DFO offices in Vancouver. We need to make sure that thousands more arrive in Ottawa cc'd to Vancouver so that the Canadian government and DFO know that the world is watching.

    I implore you to act quickly. This great race of steelhead--an international treasure--is at the mercy of a few short sighted bureaucrats who don't seem to listen when we address them directly. We must now go straight to the top and yell loud and long until we are heard.

    What follows is a sample email you could send to The Honourable Geoff Regan, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans Canada, to make your feelings known:

    Dear Minister Regan,

    I was alarmed to learn that Fisheries and Oceans Canada went ahead with a commercial opening for chum salmon in the Fraser River on Wednesday October 20th, 2004. Conservation groups, Provincial officials, and the international angling community expressed their grave concerns about the impact this opening would have upon endangered Thompson River steelhead and demanded that the fishery be suspended, yet despite this outcry your staff in Vancouver refused to act to protect this threatened fish species.

    I understand that Fisheries and Oceans is considering additional chum salmon openings in the coming weeks. The Government of Canada must intervene. The Minister must order an immediate halt to all commercial fisheries in the Fraser River and other Thompson River steelhead approach areas; further, the Minister must order a full public review of the Pacific salmon fishery's impact upon wild steelhead populations.

    email addresses:

    send an email to The Honourable Geoff Regan at: Min@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

    cc the following:

    Canadian Government

    Prime Minister Paul Martin: pm@pm.gc.ca
    Minister of the Environment Stephane Dion: Dion.S@parl.gc.ca
    David Anderson MP: Anderson.D@parl.gc.ca

    the Opposition

    Stephen Harper
    Leader of the Opposition
    Harper.S@parl.gc.ca

    Loyola Hearn
    Fisheries and Oceans Canada – Critic
    Hearn.L@parl.gc.ca

    John Cummins
    Assistant Fisheries Critic
    Cummins.J@parl.gc.ca

    Robert Mills
    Environment Critic
    Mills.R@parl.gc.ca

    John Reynolds
    Reynolds.J@parl.gc.ca

    Jack Layton
    Leader of the New Democratic Party
    Layton.J@parl.gc.ca

    DFO Vancouver Staff

    Paul MacGillivray macgillivrayp@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

    Devona Adams adamsd@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

    British Columbia Provincial Officials

    Premier Gordon Campbell premier@gov.bc.ca

    Bill Barisoff, Minster of Water Land and Air Protection bill.barisoff.mla@leg.bc.ca

    also please cc to me at blacksalmon@shaw.ca

    please distribute this information widely, posting it on other websites or forwarding it on to anyone you believe could help. We need many voices so that the Canadian government knows that the world will not sit idle while they net Thompson steelhead into extinction.

    __________________
    Dana
     
  9. flylikeIdo

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    Just one thing.

    The one major thing I hate about PETA is not their love for animals but the ways they go about getting their message out. For the first time I have now seen the same tactic on a fishing website. I know its to save the fish but giving out phone numbers and emails simply to harrass the "man" is the main thing that I cant stand about activists. No offense but they are going to net the fish and no matter how much you say you spend, they dont get a check directly from your catch.

    Money Talks and we dont spend ours in the right places. I dont think what your doing is wrong but its not right either.
     
  10. alpinetrout

    alpinetrout Banned or Parked

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    There is a big difference between harassment and sending a well-written letter of concern. These are the correct people to be contacting on this issue, so there is no problem there. Standing back and ignoring the situation is the same as supporting it.
     
  11. Steve Buckner

    Steve Buckner Mother Nature's Son

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    After sending in my letters, I received the two attachments back from John Reynolds:

    Here is the first one:


    Jim Abbott,
    B.C. Caucus Chair

    MEDIA RELEASE
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    October 7, 2004

    Conservative Party BC Regional Caucus wants action on Fraser River salmon fishery
    No time to wait, says Abbott, as fish stocks plummet toward extinction


    Ottawa – The Fraser River salmon fishery is in a crisis and the government must act now to stop it. That was the reaction of the Conservative Party BC Regional Caucus to the disastrously low salmon runs on the Fraser River this year.

    “The federal Liberal government is dithering while salmon fish stocks on the Fraser River face extinction,” said Jim Abbott, the Conservative Party BC Regional Caucus Chair. “The government has received warning after warning that this situation could happen, but it failed to respond.”

    This year (2004) the escapement number for Fraser River Salmon was insufficient for conservation purposes. For instance, out of a predicted run of 4,518,000 sockeye, fewer than 200,000 are expected to reach the spawning grounds. The BC caucus argues that the government could have avoided this crisis by implementing the recommendations of the 2001 Fraser River Salmon Fishery Report tabled by the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans in 2003.

    “I repeatedly urged the government to implement the recommendations in the 2001 Salmon Fishery Report,” said Chilliwack-Fraser Canyon MP Chuck Strahl. “The government refused to take this advice and now look where we are.”

    The impact on the economy and aboriginal communities of such low salmon runs is devastating. The British Columbia fisheries (recreational and commercial) are currently the province’s fourth largest industry, generating approximately $2 billion a year for BC’s economy. Many aboriginal communities also rely on the resource for food and ceremonial purposes.

    “Jobs will certainly be threatened if this problem is not fixed,” said Natural Resources Critic John Duncan. “It is also evident that aboriginal groups may not receive the resources they need for food and ceremonial purposes,” said Indian Affairs Critic Jim Prentice. “That would truly be devastating to their culture and way of life.”

    The BC Regional Caucus is also calling on the government to immediately reconvene the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans and recommend that it travel to BC to assess the problem and make further recommendations if necessary. It also demands that the government restore funding to fishery enhancement programs.

    “The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans needs to reconvene immediately,” said Fisheries and Oceans Critic Loyola Hearn. “We need to examine this issue and provide advice to the government that is objective and credible. Having the government investigate itself will only lead to a conflict of interest and no resolution to this crisis. The time to act is now.”
    - 30 -

    For more information, please contact: Jim Abbott, MP at (613) 995-7246


    Here is the second one:

    Loyola Hearn, MP
    Official Opposition Fisheries Critic
    St. John's South - Mount Pearl
    News Release
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    19 October 2004
    Conservatives Express Concern About the Opening
    of Chum Fishery on the Fraser River

    OTTAWA, October 19, 2004 – Conservative Fisheries & Oceans critic Loyola Hearn expressed concern about the Department of Fisheries and Ocean’s plan to open the Fraser River for a commercial chum fishery on Wednesday. Hearn cautions that in light of this year’s fiasco in managing stocks on the Fraser River DFO should proceed with care.
    “This proposed opening coincides with the migration of Thompson and Upper Fraser Steelhead. The Steelhead returning this year is the second lowest on record. Any destruction due to by-catch could be disastrous for this stock” said the MP.
    Hearn also stated that he was advised that this decision to open the Fraser River for a commercial chum fishery was done with little or no notice to interested parties, even the provincial government.
    -30-
    For further information, please contact 709-687-6988.
     
  12. Big K1

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    Thanks Alpinetrout.

    These email addresses and phone #'s are for sending in letters of concern.
    These people are elected public servants. This is part of their job.
    I did not post home #'s or email addresses. I agree with Alpine "ignoring
    the situation is the same as supporting it". I just think it would be a shame to lose these fish.
     
  13. Teeg Stouffer

    Teeg Stouffer Fish Recycler

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    FlylikeIdo is right!

    Let's sit idly by while the resource that we are all so passionately enamored with is thoughtlessly eliminated!

    After all, neither our government - nor Candada's - is a representative government, where the people are meant to have a say in governmental policy.

    *sick with sarcasm *

    FlylikeIdo - this isn't a personal attack, rather a general attack on apathy. Please don't take it personally, but know that the sentiment that we should not make our voices heard is not constructive to solving the many problems that we face as citizens, wildlife management and conservation issues included.

    Many tactics can be used to influence legislation, but direct communication with legislators, government officials, and government officers has proven effective on countless fronts in the past, including fish management.

    Thanks to all who have responded same.

    My letters are sent, and that is quite right.

    :ray1: Teeg.
     
  14. Tungsten Muddler

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    More gillnetting to come?!!!

    I just read on the FishBC website that more chum openings are planned for next week! So please keep up the pressure. "Flylikeyoudo" just what is your problem, the people named here are directly responsible in making the decision as to whether or not the Thompson steelhead are netted into history. They are well paid for making bad decisions and probably recieve even more pressure from the public on other issues. What do you propose we do?
     
  15. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    Flylikeido: This is a civil democracy. We have more power than we know, most of it rests in freedom of speech and our ability to direct our legislatures. The squeeky wheel does get the oil, eventually. But only if it squeeks.
     
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    Meddling etc.

    This subject is a sore point with me. When this site was a whole lot less friendly back in the stick to the arguement or get censored days, I use to hang out a bit up there. Then things seem to mellow out a bit on this site and I came back home and seldom visit Fish B.C., though I have a lot of dear friends there I have established from my humorous writings, many who would guide me for free.

    But the Thompson was something else. You couldn't really talk about it without complete and total ire coming down on you no matter how positive you tried to be or how tactful. You were told to stay out of it by some, accused as an ugly American by others. This PETA label was always tossed out.

    Untold thousands of tourist dollars go north every year and the tourist has little or no input. The idea of an International Brotherhood of Flyfishers working together for a common good is about as popular as Bush would be for Prime Minister.

    Commercial fishermen are very strong and gear guys are most suspicious of fly "snobs". It's tough to argue up there. Canadians on that site are very well informed about that which they write and will do a ton of research to prove their point.

    All I know is that I'm a Thompson lover. Even that is not well received. I feel much like the lone cow caught in some barbed wire, bellowing in the dark of night. Not a good feeling.

    Bob. the I love that B.C. more than I can express :beathead:
     
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    You guys keep sending your emails and see if anything changes, I bet if any it will be for the commercial guys not you. The lesson is pick a battle not every battle. Plus if you think those email addresses are actually read by the person you think your sending them to your crazier than I thought.

    I do think something has to be done to save the fish but are emails and phone calls telling people how much better sport fishermen are then commercial fishermen going to do that? I do not think so.

    Good luck with your harrassment tactics.
     
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    flylikeIdo,

    Do not see how writing publicly elected officials to voice your concerns can be considered PETA like tactics. You are way off base, that is the public process. If you have been following this story you will see this is working and government officials in BC are starting to get involved. Our efforts have not gone unnoticed.

    Plus, and this is what really irks me, I do not see you offering any other options which makes your opinion pretty much worthless.

    Either bring something to the table or stay out of it,

    -sean
     
  19. BOBLAWLESS

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    FlylikeIdo:

    The person being written to may not actually read the e-mails but some junior assistant will read them--at least sufficently well to get the drift so he can make a mark under the appropriate column, opposed or in favor, native or non-resident etc. I know because I used to do this as a college student. The report is constantly presented to the honcho so "he knows how the wind blows."

    You miss the boat entirely on the question at hand. It is not one of sportsfishermen thinking they are better than the commercials. It's what is best for the Thompson. We are trying to save the last few dozen fish of a great run that was legendary. Does this mean nothing to you? And when it is the last few dozen chums or whatever that the nets surround, will that mean nothing to you as well?

    God keeps a special place in hell for guys like you, FlylikeIdo: It is a deep tank filled with water that boils forever. In the bottom, all tangled in a commercial net, will be you my brother, struggling forever to get free.

    You could change. There is still time.

    Bob, the agnostic who feels weird wearing the clothes of a fundamentalist preacher. :eek:
     
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    Mine have been sent.. Its a shame :beathead: