Tippets on Spey Lines

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  1. pdavis327

    pdavis327 New Member

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    Assembling my line w/ new switch rod for first time. backing>running>head> tip. My question then, is what to attach to the tip. For a floating line, should I have a typical leader length? What about a sinking line? And what should I taper these to be? Thanks much for the help!
     
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    For floating line I use an intermediate poly leader or clear floating poly leader 14', then I attach 3 ft of 15lb flouro seaguar. For sinktips I attach 3 to 5 ft of 12lb maxima or 15lb flouro seaguar.... Hope that helps..
     
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    Thanks. I am using RIO skandi short versitip package. All tips are 10 feet. The floating tip comes in a straw color, and the intermediate comes in clear. So for the floating line, you recommend only 3 feet of flouro line on the end as a tippet?
     
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    I think tfg is suggesting a leader in the 17 foot range including tippet for a floating line. Seems a bit long to me but perhaps he will explain. Some guys use level tippet anywhere from a few feet to 8 or 9 when swinging. I also know some who use braided leaders. Personally I use store bought tapered leaders from 4 to 9 feet in the size needed for the fish I am after and the flies I am using. I usually use flourocarbon tippet with a floater if I want the fly to be in or just below the surface film. Regular mono tippet for floating flies.
     
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    For dryline work I would reccomend using the floating 10' tip that comes with the line, a 10' polyleader, and 3'-5' of level mono.

    Casting a short-head scandi is much easier when using a long (14'+) leader - the leader provides the anchor while the rest of the line is aerialized in the d-loop. Shorter leaders tend to rip out with these systems.

    For sinking tip stuff, I think you will have to experiment and see...I haven't used sinking tips or polyleaders on a scandi line - when I wanna get down, I do it with a skagit setup.
     
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    So are the poly leaders and the versitips the same thing? Sorry not quite following. For the 10 foot tips I am using that came with my RIO short versitip package, what would typically be attached to the end of one of those tips? Thanks!
     
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    I've been using manufactured tapered leaders about 10' long on my floating Spey lines. After a few fly changes, I add 2' of 10# tippet. On sink tip lines I use 3 -4' of Maxima leader material in 8 or 10# test.

    Sg
     
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    Ok Great! Thanks g_smolt!
     
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    Thanks all, much good help!
     
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    I just started using the floating poly this year on my floater and really like them for reasons mentioned.
     
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    I embark upon this reply with some diffidence, recognising that you have already received some valuable help from several knowledgeable and experienced anglers. I write perhaps from a slightly different perspective, being a Scotsman used to fishing the Tay, the Spey, the Ness, the Tweed and some of our other larger rivers. I would say that you have to consider several factors. Length of rod, wind, temperature, light, depth, water-colour,and speed of river-flow all come into play, IMVHO. Let me explain. The metabolism of the Atlantic salmon slows down in cold weather. You need to fish your fly or lure well down to attract him. In "brassy" summer sunshine they often lie deep too. The choice of a floating, intermediate, slow-sinking or fast-sinking tip is dictated by visibility and the need to put the fly where the fish will see it. Generally, over here we would consider adding some three to ten feet of leader, such as Maxima, to the tip, which might be five to ten feet long. Trial and error is the correct approach. Allow yourself to be dictated to by the success of yoour casting. Keep practising. It is amazing what happens once muscle memory takes full effect. Tight lines.
     
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    Anyone else experienced the situation where you follow advice such as what is given here or in books only to have your guide cut off everything (or damn near everything) you just set-up and re-assemble? I have, and when that happens, I take detailed notes... particularly if the results are positive.

    There seems to be so many permutations to the business end of the spey line...definitely hard on rookies such as myself. That said, the advice from the forum guru's is great and we (I) appreciate it. :thumb:
     
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    Second that! Thanks everyone
     
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    "+1" here just about across the board. For years I used 12-15 foot leaders and finally one of the best flyrodders I know asked me 'why.' Gave the usual answers ..... Mark just laughed and pulled out a 9' RIO out of his vest and said 'Put this on.' Have to admit, line/fly control improved noticeably in just a few casts. Another of the comments above caught my attention: the use of furled leaders. I'm using them across the board on my 3 to 6wts.

    Gal who calls herself "Furl Girl" makes them in Utah. The weave is tight as a tick (with small tippet ring on the end). Thing that's really interesting is she makes both floaters AND sinking furled leaders. And the sinkers really sink! Better yet, save for the clear floaters she uses Kevlar thread so these things are stronger than hell. Better yet they're half the cost ($6.00) of anyone else's, come in several lengths AND (no one else to my knowledge does this) they almost rod weight specific. (2-4, 4-6, etc).

    These things lay out flat as a pancake in the air; beautiful to see them 'un-roll' at the end of a cast.
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    Let me clarify.... I am referring to a skandi "short/compact" type line as he is referring to. Put on the scandi short, then either your tips that came with it (the 10' tips) or put on a poly leader of 10-12ft... NOt both at the same time. I do not think if you put on a 9' leader straight to the end of a skandi short line it would cast worth a crap. That would be like taking a skagit line of 27 ft and hooking 12lb maxima to the end of it. So in the end you have a scandi line, then 12ft poly or tip, and then 3-5 ft of leader.
     
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    Not to worry,:thumb: I knew what you were suggesting.
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    Thanks for all the help! Unfortunately, I've become a bit confused again. Sorry for my newness to this spey world. For these new skandi short versitips, unlike other lines, the overall line length (head and tip) is only 33 ft. w/ the 10 foot tip. So what I had gathered earlier, is that to the end of this tip I would attach a full leader, say a 9 foot 1x RIO leader. Is this the direction I would go? Later in the post it seems like i should just attach a few feet of mono to the end, acting more like a tippet. The floating tip it came with is like a straw fly line color, so I don't know how I would feel with only 5 feet mono coming off as a tippet


    It appears to me that these tips wouldn't act like leaders, but more like extensions of the fly line. Unlike the AFS, this head isn't long tapered, which I thought was like a tip in its own.

    I think i am confusing myself more and more. haha

    Again, thanks for all the help. I hope to be dialing this all in soon! :thumb:
     
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    On the sink tips- 4 ft of mono and fly

    On the floating tip- 9' - 12' tapered mono leader and fly...

    ...or 10' floating polyleader and a few feet of straight mono tippet and fly.
     
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    Hey Pdavis, I just looked at the specs for that line.

    http://www.rioproducts.com/fly-lines/spey/scandinavian/scandi-short-versitip

    I was surprised to see that the tips total the line to be at 33ft. With that small of a head, I would definately put on at least a 10' poly leader to get the total length out to 43' for both sink and floating tips. I would also like to cast one, as I would assume that the last 10ft of the line on the sink tip would,... well sink,... and cause some issues forming the d-loop. Anyone cast the versitip?
     
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    I'm new to the spey world as well, but in my research here's what I've gathered.

    • If you're using a polyleader/versileader you do not need to attached a conventional tapered leader. I've looped the end of my versileaders so I can just loop to loop a section of straight mono.
    • If you're not using a polyleader/versileader attached a regular tapered leader.

    My AFS came with what looks like tips, but were actually versileaders. I was confused at first and thought they were tips, so I thought I needed to add a regular tapered leader to them. This was not the case.
     

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