"I do not think if you put on a 9' leader straight to the end of a skandi short line it would cast worth a crap." Beg to differ here. 9' works just fine .... it's when you push beyond that with a short(er) rod you'll find the leader will 'hinge like hell' when casting same. A caviot (sp?) to that would be a two fly set up, but that will only add another couple of feet. Thing to keep in context here is we're talking about fishing 'moving water,' not still water; there ... longer may well be better.