To Spey or Not to Spey

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Mark Ellerbrook, Feb 8, 2005.

  1. Mark Ellerbrook Metolius

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    I've been a member for a couple of years and have responded to posts here and there, but I believe this is my first original post. So here's the issue:

    A couple years back I moved to Washington and thought I would get into steelheading. Seeing a lot written about the spey rod, I thought this would be a great idea. I ended up with a new 8wt spey rod, reel, and line. Now, two years later, I've taken the rod out exactly two times for casting. When faced with the prospect of thrashing around w/ this ungainly stick, I usually head to the Snoqualmie Forks or the Yak for trout. I'm still interested in steelheading and am now dabbling with fishing in the salt for SRCs and anything else that comes along. I'm a capable caster with a single handed rod and other than the spey, only have a 5wt and a 3wt. Also, my time for learning new things is limited with a new 9 month baby in the house.

    The question: Should I keep the spey and take the time to learn how to spey cast or should I sell it, purchase a new single-hander and go straight to fishing (with less learning). Things to keep in mind: (1) I can only have one rod (for budget reasons) and (2) depending on your answer, there could be a new Loop blue line spey rod for sale. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. :thumb:

    -M
  2. Big K1 Large Member

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    You should go to River Runs get together in Carnation every Saturday morning.
    It will reduce the learning curve drastically. I wish I would have had that resource when I started.
  3. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    Keep the spey. There is always a use for it. Take K1's advice and go see Aaron. He'll help you out ALOT. Just make sure you keep an array of tackle, unless you plan to be a bank maggot all the time. Speys have their place, but think too many limit themselves using them exclusively. Especially if you have buddies who have a driftboat. WAY overkill fishing one, even in a bigger 20' model. Where the 8'6"-9'6" rods really shine. But a great tool for those fishing the banks, and working long and/or wide slots. Loved fishing mine. Just it came out for certain rivers only.
  4. Salmo_g Active Member

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    Mark,

    If your time for learning is limited, your time for fishing is likely even more so. But since you already have the rod, reel, and line, you might be best served by using it. As K1 said, the Saturday sessions at Carnation (9 AM, mouth of the Tolt R. on the Snoqualmie) are your best bet and probably not too far away. Having said that, the shortest distance between where you are and landing the first steelhead is learning how to fish for steelhead, which you would probably get to sooner with a single handed rod since you already know how to cast it. Since you've only been out 2 times, in 2 years, spending a few Saturdays at Aaron's casting clinics won't extend your learning curve by much.

    Good luck, and enjoy.

    Sincerely,

    Salmo g.
  5. Bert Kinghorn Formerly "nextcast"

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    I second what Kevin said.

    I would also add that these clinics are very informal, one-on-one coaching. You will have some of the best spey casters and instructors in the Northwest teaching you and it is absolutely FREE! The clinics start every Saturday about 0900 and generally wrap up about 1130, BUT you can come when you want, leave when you want, and stay late by yourself. A surprising number hang around after to practice what we learned.

    Try the clinic at least once and then make the decision after you fall in love with these neat, if ungainly, tools or when you can make an educated judgement that you have truly had enough.
  6. Big K1 Large Member

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    Jerry,

    I am one of the guys who limits himself to the two-hander only.
    A boat is just a mode of transportation from one run to the next for me.
    I fish the swing.
  7. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    Ah, that's a shame. In a boat, you cover so much water, and you can swing your fly on the move. Funny that so many guys who use driftboats only move to the next spot. I've caught a lot of fish while on the move. Especially since alot of slots aren't "wadeable". So you'd be passing up slots just to get to a bar you can fish. Just most spey rods are too long to work in a boat. Especially since you're usually on top of the fish. Overkill. But you can work your fly in the water all the way to the next slot. Even in my one man boats, I'll try and keep some sort or line in the water until the next slot. Even if it means putting a float/jig on a gear rod and letting her drift.
  8. Davy Active Member

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    Wow, I second or third what everyone above say about Aarons Saturday sessions.

    I am very new to to spey as well. But one morning there will turn the learning curve into a hairpin.Let alone attending several times.

    Have not been able to get back but I plan to this Saturday,maybe see you there.

    davy
  9. Big K1 Large Member

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    Thats just how I like to fish. :)
  10. KerryS Ignored Member

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    Sell the spey rod to me and get a single hander. :p What do you want for it?
  11. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    Ah, gotcha. I'd go nuts doing that. LOL. Guess it was just the way I was taught steelheading. If you're in the front of our driftboat, you're fishing as we're moving (unless we're pulling plugs/baitdivers). We don't waste water on the move. Been ingrained in my head. Different strokes for different folks.
  12. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    LOL Kerry. Man, I need to think about that myself actually. Supposed to get my work release tomorrow. That means serious cash flow back into the house. Which means TACKLE shopping. :thumb: Need to rebuy back my spey rods. Hell, need to rebuy back a TON of rods I sold off.
  13. Steve Buckner Mother Nature's Son

    From my perspective, learning a variety of casts is paramount to becoming a successful fly fisherman. One can get by in many cases with short overhead casts, this is probably more true with trout fishing.

    However, there are many cases where learning to throw long lines and/or learning to throw long casts when there is limited back casting room available will make or break a day of fishing. Spey casting solves so many problems and many trout fisherman would do themselves a favor in learning how these casts can improve your ability to catch fish. They can be performed with either a single or a double-handed rod.

    A great number of fly fisherman want to learn how to tie flies, others want to learn the latin names of every insect available, but often times, learning how to successfully, skillfully, and logically throw the best cast for the situation isn't something they want to think about or practice. In my experience, fly fishing is about fly casting. And casting a fly rod, be it a single or a double-handed rod, is one of the most enjoyable aspects of fly fishing. If you're serious about this sport, I'd suggest learning as much about fly casting as any of the other facets of this wonderful sport.
  14. Davy Active Member

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    Ah Jerry, sometimes atleast I would be sippin my "spicy & sweetened" coffee yuh know, that and untangling the line from my neck. Lately it's becoming more "coffee" atleast.

    Davy
  15. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    Davy, you grab the coffee after you've made the cast. ;) Yeah, there is down time for goodies. I'll allow that. :beer2:
  16. sean Member

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    Focus on a few fishing casts like the circle spey. If you can do that cast on both sides of the river you do not need much else for fishing purposes. The other casts will come with time. I think a lot of newbies get overwhelmed with all the casts you can do on a spey rod. Just focus on a few and the learning curve aint so bad. My vote is for the circle as I feel it is the easiest cast to learn and most effective for a new spey guy to get fishing as soon as possible.

    As far as steelhead fishing out of a driftboat...just pull plugs and be done with it ;)

    -sean
  17. Bob Triggs Your Preferred Olympic Peninsula Fly Fishing Guide

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    Two ideas. Well, maybe more...

    I absolutly support you in going to Aaron Reimer's River Run Anglers in Carnation on a saturday morning.That is a nice bunch of folks, some very talented casters, and a day of generosity in sharing ideas, skills, techniques etc. It seems as though everyone is helping each other there. A very inspiring bunch. And you cant help but get off to the best beginning by getting some good quality coaching in advance. Aaron is a very committed teacher. If you dont go, you should be committed. :eek:

    There are a number of Spey days and Spey Claves coming up all year in this region, some of them run multiple days, with camping etc the norm. You would do well to seek them out as some of the top casters in the game flock to these gatherings for teaching, sharing, learning and- believe it or not: some spey fishing too! The manaufacturers often send their representatives, new rods, reels and lines appear to be tried and savored. And there are always some new home-made flylines to be sampled from the guys out here who have reinvented Spey casting, rods and lines, and techniques, for our Pacific Northwest fishing. It is a remarkable community of talent.

    On the other hand; you could wrap all of that old, unused spey stuff up in a plain brown wrapper and send it off to me...I'll give them a good home. :cool:
  18. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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  19. chadk Be the guide...

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    With your limited time, I suggest getting rid of the spey rod and sticking to what you know. You'll still have to learn how to present your fly to steelhead under various conditions.

    If you really want to keep things simple, you can get away with fishing a single hander with a floating line. Just vary your leader and add weight as needed (weight added via directly to fly by dumbell eyes, wraps, etc, or shot on the leader). Then learn how to mend the line to keep your fly down in the zone. You can nymph\drift and swing. In the summer you can try skating and waking flies. You can also fish indicator style with nymphs and egg patterns year round.

    You can get a decent 7-8wt outfit (rod, line, reel) for under $200. Save some cash for a trip with a guide like Bob or Steve who can teach you some skills you can build on when you are on your own...

    my 2 cents...
  20. Mark Ellerbrook Metolius

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    Thanks all for the thoughtful replies. I have in fact dropped in to Aaron's - once for a Spey Clave and again for some advice. He and I sat in the shop for over an hour, talking about which line would work best on the Loop blue (went w/ the windcutter 7,8,9 after casting a few). His willingness to give of his time and knowledge is a rare find.

    Where this leaves me is uncertain. In an ideal world, I'd like to keep the spey and get a 7wt for steelheading and casting off the beach. However, a purchase of a new rod is probably a ways off if I don't sell the spey. There is something appealing of being able to simply head out and learn the ways of steelheading without also having to learn a new casting stroke. Also, the idea of going with a guide is a good one.

    Well, if you see a Loop for sale in the classifides, I guess you'll know what I decided. Thanks again.

    -M