Treble or Dual hook for carp?

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  1. Kaiserman

    Kaiserman Phil 4:11-13

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    Does anyone tie flies with either of these hooks for carp?

    The TMC 707 DS is a dual hook, and I was wondering if either a treble or dual might help me with my hook sets.

    Seems like I miss more than I should.

    Anyway, just thought I'd ask...
     
  2. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I used to use a treble for carp with a herkin' big spinning rod. It was hard getting a good hookset what with the thick scales carp have.

    Your issue may be the carp doesn't have the hook in it's mouth or you are setting the hook too quickly.
     
  3. Kaiserman

    Kaiserman Phil 4:11-13

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    Well I know it's in their mouth, because I see them take it. However, I know that sometimes it's hard to "break the habit" of setting too fast, as with trout. However, sometimes I miss and know that I didn't set it too fast.

    That's why I asked, because maybe it's just a matter of, "You win some, you lose some.", as with any type of fishing. Just wanted to know if anyone has tried it before I waste time and money "experimenting", if you know what I mean.
     
  4. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    You might send a PM to MrP as he may have some good input.
     
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    you aren't trout setting are you? this was my main problem when i started fishing for carp, strip setting helped this problem alot.
     
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    Try tying your patterns on Kahle bait hooks or heavy wire wide-gap hooks. I prefer size 8, particularly for headstand patterns (which are my favorites.). Strip the fly so slowly you almost aren't moving it, then strip set when you feel resistance and set again with the rod once the carp is hooked. The buggers DO have tough mouths.
     
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    Strip set, strip set, strip set....
     
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    Rubber lips require sharp hooks. It's as simple as that.
     
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    I have been tying mine on cheap 4 or5 $/ 100 eagle claw hooks size 2 or 4 that I found at cabelas. I think they are bait hooks but with out barbs on the shank. I start a SLOW strip if I think the fish has it and if I feel any resistance I hammer him with a strip strike. I have hooked every fish that has taken so far ( less than 25 not sure exact number) it has worked even when the fish were balled up spawning and I had no idea if on had taken the fly!
     
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    Never felt like I needed to have more than one point, mostly for fear of foul hookings. Check out CarpPro's Gaper hooks. I love them.
     
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    That's just it, except with carp the "loose some" is going to be a more common scenario (insofar as eats/hookup ratio) than with trout or bass or other fish that use a much larger hinged jaw (in relation to body size) to inhale food and also keep said food from escaping back out of their mouth. Carp are grazers, at least for the most part, and could really care less if what they just put in their mouth stays there. This is especially true of fish in the Columbia.
     
  12. Kaiserman

    Kaiserman Phil 4:11-13

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    Interesting, I never thought of it that way.

    I know they must have some stopping power, cause I'm sure those crawfish aren't too willing to "stay put", lol.

    Thanks
     
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    I tie my carp flies exclusively on "single point" hooks but I'm all over the board on hook style - except for the most part they're heavy/stout hooks and must be sticky sharp. I think in the past ten years I may have hooked a couple carp blind casting - I just don't blind cast unless that "shadow" might be a smallmouth. Carping is all about stalking the fish and seeing them, presenting carefully and then watching for the telltale eat (yes, if I see them suck it in, that's best). I use both the strip strike and "lift" (just like trouting) strike. Most days if I see the fish eat I do well on my "hooking" ratio. But then there are those days when I should have stayed home. All my flies are barbless, keep 'em sharp. They sure are fun.
     

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