Mumbles, I was wondering why you gave up the panther? I had a pontoon boat about 10 years ago. I sat about 12" above the water & found that by the end of a day of finning I had really sore knees. I couldn't go very fast with the fins, due to the drag. I found the footpegs to be a hassle with my flyline. However, I loved being able to really move across a lake with the oars and I liked not getting cold feet during the early spring or late fall. I was thinking about getting another one (I've been using a fat cat tube ever since getting rid of the toon). Did the Panther keep you knees closer to the water? Does it row quick? I don't really care about the length; I was thinking a harder rocker or shorter toon would have less drag anyways. Maybe a Bucks Bag Alpine? Do you know why Outcast quit making the Panther and Cougar? I saw the NFO Outlaw Renagade the other day at Cabelas. It looked like a cross between my Fat Cat and a toon. Do you have any experience with this? Would it keep my knees close to the water, go faster than finning with the Fat Cat, and have less drag? Any ideas?