All the same regurgitation we got for the last twenty years from the WDFW pointing the finger at nothing repairable, politics as usual. THe same thing they shove down our throat at those public meetings. With respect to your personal conviction and extensive volunteering of wdfw facts Curt I know you have the handbook down to a T and are very knowledgable on the DATA but that DATA has NOT gotten us any where but CLOSED FISHERIES. I have plenty of associates in all agencies of management and the real facts of the matter are not public! The public wishes are not always the same as the WDFW claims,, there have been plenty of managment decisions based on internal desires. No way will I even begin to throw those under the bus here. As for the mirror to look in,, we are,,, thats why we actively pusue better fishing with volunteering and MONEY directly to the resource. The Mirror is plainly in use as there are thousands of active participaters in fishery recovery on the PRIVATE side, more so here in the NW than nearly any other states in the union. I would bet that from the users on this very site there are Millions of dollars donated and volunteered towards Steelhead fishing alone. And you want to say its THERE fault for not looking in the Mirror. Those meeting on rule changes and decision process all turn into excuse factories of why WDFW does what it does and the changes that get made usually only FIT for the dept. and there budget process of what to cut cost wise. CO MANAGEMENT is a huge factor as well but there again UN REPAIRABLE excuses..I personally went to dozens of those if you stand up for an idea they shut you up with BS DATA and if you sit and listen its politics as usual. I quite going ten years ago and gave my gas money and time to private clubs and parties, all supported here on this site. To date in the last ten years I know its over 20K and growing. Curt with all due respect the facts of the matter are clear, politics wont fix it. Its time to get a grip on the PUBLIC policy and use what ever means Washington state has to reair this situation gone awry. Here is a question for you, Is there anything in the works of utilizing the smolt capture and pit tag process on the puget sound rivers in question to see exactly where the steelhead are suffering high mortality? Expensive but simple, let the DATA point the finger!