NFR WDFW gets it right- Wolves part trois

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by ribka, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    "I guess ranchers feel like the goverment owes them something"
    Not to many years ago and still in some states and countys there is a term called "blue sky"
    This term is used by cattle ranchers to use any land that is private and not fenced for free grazing of their cattle.
    So to keep from having problems with land owner, ranchers lease public land.
    What ever the cost it's not free like "blue sky".
    I agree with some of my fellow members that why should my tax dollar be spent on killing wolves when a paying lic. and tag holder will do the job and put $ back into wildlife conservation.
    It is a proven fact that hunted predators fear humans and humans stuff.
    In problem areas like the "Wedge" wolves should be shot on sight, year around, until the problem is over.
  2. Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    The "Wedge" pack is thought to have arrived from the Kootenay region of SE BC. The fact that it is close to the Canadian border and has the Pend Oreille river between it and Idaho, both suggest that this is true. The only radio collared individuals in the Wedge pack are ones that have been trapped and fitted with collars in situ. This doesn't mean that no radio collared wolves have crossed the border from ID into WA, but that doesn't appear to be in the history of the Wedge pack.
  3. ribka Active Member

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    Bingo Gary



  4. Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    I agree that hunted wolves will begin to act a little more shy around domestic livestock, and once the professionals (who know better than any of us, despite what some might say on this board) think the wolf population is sufficient to sustain it, hunting should be reestablished.

    But why should your tax dollar be spent fattening up your neighbors' cattle at well below market rate? We've got a country (or at least this is true in the western part of our country) of socialist cattle ranchers masquerading as independent, free-market, cattle ranchers. They don't want their 'right' to graze their cattle on public land to be restricted, but sure want the government to get rid of the wolves on that same public land.

    If the Forest Recreation Pass we have to buy to go hiking on public land in the Cascades were priced proportional to the impact that grazing leases have on the land, there isn't a unit of currency small enough to charge for the pass.

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  5. Lugan Joe Streamer

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    I've noticed that most rugged free-market small-government individualists fall into this camp: They are against government subsidies, tax breaks and entitlements except for the ones they benefit from.
  6. jessejames Flyslinger

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    Lugan post of the year honors to you...
    Man this is exactly the way I feel about many situations we are struggling with right now in our country.
    I gave your post 1 "like" because there is no 1000 like button.
    jesse
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  7. Trustfunder Active Member

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    Why should we pay government officials to fly around in helicopters, shoot wolves when there's a group of hunters who would pay the WDFWP to solve the same problem at no cost to the taxpayer? It's a free market economy on wildlife in many states but not when it comes to wolves.

    In turn there could be a small economic impact to the communities and outfitters for a wolf hunt. That in my mind sure would be better than sucking up funds - what the government is good at.

    It's the mentality of don't worry the government will take care of you attitudes is why people expanded west to survive on there own, when wolves were present and they shot every one of them. It's funny how things change to revert back to a fantasy that some guy envisioned out of a history book for the 21st century.

    Now if you think subsidies to ranchers/farmers is worse than paying some whore in the slums to pump out kids at our expense... then you need to go back to your cubicle and stay there.

    I'd rather fund something to a person who works 24/7/365 than the example above. Plus I like to eat meat.
  8. Salmo_g Active Member

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    ". . . It's funny how things change to revert back to a fantasy that some guy envisioned out of a history book for the 21st century.

    Now if you think subsidies to ranchers/farmers is worse than paying some whore in the slums to pump out kids at our expense... then you need to go back to your cubicle and stay there."

    Thanks, I guess, for eliminating any doubt about your ability to write something intelligent.
  9. YAMMY Member

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    Could you please reference any article documenting a wolf killing a child-just for my info and desire to learn.
  10. obiwankanobi Active Member

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    Now if the Indians would start netting the wolves and selling their gall bladders to the Chinese for aphrodisiac purposes, we could have a thread that would go for 50 pages or more.

    I think its time to have a subforum just on Indians and Wolves and maybe Obama just for kicks.
  11. Lugan Joe Streamer

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    ...and bead fishermen.
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  12. Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    Already then, or we could follow Alaska guidelines
  13. freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    And I've noticed that most statist, big government, socialists have a "like" orgy every time one of their comrades makes a snarky post ...do you also get a tingle running up your leg? :D
  14. bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    the general elections are a month away,are we going to start the political bolvine dung throwing already?
  15. Trustfunder Active Member

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    Just saying it like it is editor and chief, if you don't like it go screw a wolf.
  16. freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    The candidates and their party principals certainly have...the nation is about as polarized as it can be. I keeping hoping I don't see a MSLSD logo show up on WFF with Chris Matthews replacing Ed as moderator :eek:
  17. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    Trustfunder...thin ice friend, thin freaking ice. State your opinion respectfully or push the keyboard away.
  18. Lugan Joe Streamer

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    It's "editor in chief".
  19. Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    It's good to have a moderator who has young kids, the parenting skills come in handy. Nicely stated.
  20. jessejames Flyslinger

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    Well the State of Washington is safe again the last of the wedge pack was killed today the alpha male the last to go. Well there should be no tears shed they were just a pack of aliens from Canada.
    jesse
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