WDFW will not release 'early winter' hatchery steelhead this spring unless legal issues are resolved

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  1. Rob Allen

    Rob Allen Active Member

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    the truth is often very unpopular... you can talk intelligently until your head explodes.. that won't change the unthinking truth. as long as people have the "what's in it for me" mentality nothing is going to change.. and it doesn't matter a whole lot whether you are a tribal netter wanting to make an income. or a plunker wanting to take home a trophy nate or a barbless hook swinging liberal from downtown Seattle. if you are not in it for the fish for the sake of the fish instead of your own playtime then you are just another user group, maybe your use is less harmful than everyone else's but just a user none the less.

    want to be a force for change? go get your doctorate in fisheries sciences and get hired by WDFW and work your way into an important position. WDFW only listens to WDFW.
     
  2. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Point made... thanks for doubling down on it.
     
  3. Dustin Bootz

    Dustin Bootz Team Nate

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    Kerry$ is an internet tough guy, just look at that profile picture.. I'm shaking in my boots.
     
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    jake-e-boy No mas

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    says the tool who threatened breaking rods... on the internet
     
  5. Dustin Bootz

    Dustin Bootz Team Nate

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    I don't remember saying that i would break someones rod? Please cite your references.
     
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    Seriously what purpose did you have making this comment on a thread that's been dead/derailed since april.
    Apparently youre just bored and needed someone to troll. Go back to your bridge
     
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  7. Dustin Bootz

    Dustin Bootz Team Nate

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    Yeah everyone that runs a sled is exactly the same. Stop being an agitator in this forum slopflysisher
     
  8. Dustin Bootz

    Dustin Bootz Team Nate

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    I can read very well and have excellent syntax and diction. You on the the other hand, could work on writing in complete sentences.

    Your writing comes off as if you have had three too many Schmidt's.

    If you would like some steelhead tips feel free to PM me.
     
  9. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    The syntax wasn't real good on the second to last sentence DB.
     
  10. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    sopflyfisher, the circle is not complete without Finluvr, come on man!
     
  11. Dustin Bootz

    Dustin Bootz Team Nate

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    So clever, do you write professionally?
     
  12. KerryS

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    It is pretty clear you don't. You talk tough yourself. Are you? Or just joining in on the name calling? Perhaps you are another useless noisemaker with little or nothing of value to post.
     
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    plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    Man, this thread is now made of popcorn and bananas.
    #dadadadadaaaimlovinit #thisiswhattheinternetwasmadefor #bikeracksafterschoolbethere #yolo #bieberfever #zombieroosevelt2016 #wizarddick #shitbarf
     
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  14. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    I find it remarkable that FSA drug this thread back from the dead>

    Go Sox,
    cds
     
  15. Dustin Bootz

    Dustin Bootz Team Nate

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    You heart he? Please provide better punctuation.... C-
     
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    plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    It would have obviously been "i heart hey", DB. Please do a better job of spell-checking next time, you are embarrassing yourself. On a similar note, ellipses only require three marks of punctuation, your fourth is extraneous.

    Quite astounding, the jackanapes allowed on the inter-tubes these days.
     
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    I'm trying to feel bad about being a user group, but I just can't. If my "less harmful" use is not affecting the future health of the run, then why not do it? I want to enjoy steelhead, up close, in person, with a hook and line. For that use I will gladly jump on the conservation bandwagon.

    Conserving steelhead just to be conserving them and not allowing any "users" access to them in any way shape or form is going to be a mighty tough sell. And of course there is always the question: At what point can we consider them 'conserved'? Saved? Recovered?

    How will we know when it is safe to fish for them again? Maybe it is safe to use some methods right now?
     
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    WFF Steelhead forum at its finest.

    Nice work gentlemen.
     
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    Not sure why folks continue to ignore the fact that fishing (direct and indirect fishing impacts as well as productivity loss due to hatcheries) represent only a very small portion of the user impacts/take. Uses like hydro, irrigation, logging, agriculture, urban sprawl, etc. collectively dwarf the impacts of from fishing.

    The major reason that Puget Sound steelhead are only 3 to 4% of historic abundance is those non-fishing user impacts. Yet somehow folks(I assume that most here on this site are anglers) are more than willing to continue to make fishing the bad guy. If today was 25 years ago asking to the steelhead fishers to step up to the plate would make sense but today the reality is that we have and there has been significant reductions in overall fishing impacts on Puget Sound steelhead (and elsewhere?). So much so that even the complete elimination of all hatcheries and all fishing (which is rapidly becoming the norm for Puget Sound waters) has not resulted in measureable improvements in the status of the wild steelhead.

    Even marginal improvement in the negative wild steelhead impacts by those other users would result in significantly more wild steelhead.

    Curt
     
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  20. Rob Allen

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    because in this day and age every single wild fish that makes it back to it's home river is extraordinarily important.. every single fish needs to spawn, there is no room for hooking mortality in a lot of cases.

    who kills more and who kills less is a stupid argument to have.. no one should be killing any intentionally or otherwise.

    if you kill ten and I kill one it is ignorant and stupid of me to suggest that you shouldn't kill any but i still get to kill my one.
     

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