Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Steve Rohrbach, Dec 21, 2011.
I've learned an awful lot from this thread, thanks to all who contributed! Merry Christmas!
Could somebody post a picture, or better yet, the "recipe" for a Dead Chicken fly?
Already posted a picture but here it is again. Recipe as follows:
Hook: standard nymph hook, size 6-10
Tail: Small bunch red hackle fibers
Body: Yellow chenille
Rib: Five turns flat silver tinsel
Hackle: 3-4 turns grizzly hackle.
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I would also add a white or black caif tail wing to it as a change. All work great. I met ED FOSS a couple of times when I was a kid. What a great guy. I've been very luck in my fishing time to have meet so my great fisherman that gave me some of there time. I've started going back to some of the old great patterns. It's been a lot of fun.
In Enos Bradner's book "Northwest Angling," there are two patterns listed which incorporate a strip of chamois for the tail - the "Shammy Royal" and "Shammy Bee." Bradner says " These "shammy" flies with their enticing action are very effective on sea-run cutthroats."
I've always been curious. Has anyone ever tried them?
Never fished them for sea-runs but they worked very well on crappies. While fishing for the spiney rays I did take the odd trout.
Probably the best thread on WFF in the last few years. It is awesome that so many people have been sharing their knowledge and wisdom. When this type of interaction occurs on WFF, it more than makes up for the negativity and opinionated attitudes which are occassionally expressed in some threads.
Thanks for starting this thread. It's so nice to be able to post without fear of getting beat up. Have a great Christmas everyone!
Happy Holidays y'all!!
Preston and Kelvin:
Great photos and outstanding tying of the patterns. You both are
to be commended:thumb:!
Salma(Curt) and Double-D(Dale):
Excellent input and sharing of your knowledge :thumb:! Thanks.
That is some fine looking Cutt flies Kelvin and I will agree, a great thread topic.
To expand on this topic just a bit further and probably should be another thread topic by itself “Observations of Coastal Cutt Feeding Habits”
This last August I observed some unusual but probably common feeding characteristics by salt standards.
As my partner and I were standing in the boat and looking down into the water at that moment a grass shrimp scrambles to the surface with two to three cutts chasing from behind as soon as the cutts spotted us they shot back to the bottom with the shrimp left on the surface and obviously stunned.
I quickly grabbed the net and plucked it from the surface it was already motionless, I took it home studied it and took a couple photos. After some research I determined it to be a grass shrimp, much of the area I fish has lots of eel grass and can only surmise this is his home.
I have always been fascinated with the feeding habits of Coastal Cutts in the salt and just when you think you’ve seen it all up comes another one.
The result is a good excuse to come up with another pattern to add to the box for the upcoming year and hopefully another favorite.
Apologize for the first photo, its a clip from my video camera and doesnt do well with closeups.
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This thread just keeps getting better. Preston, thanks for posting that Lambuth Candlefish, its just what I was looking for.
Double-D, thanks for the pattern, I have seen a ton of small shrimp at different beaches and always thought they must get hammered. Start up your thread idea, I bet it will take off!
One of my fishing buddys introduced me to a shrimp pattern like those on Double D reply.He calls it a crystle shrimp. It would definatly would be his go to fly,and my last two fish were taken on this fly.It works. Merry christmas all
iagreeGotta agree with Steve Knapp. This thread just keeps getting better and better! All these flies posted are works of art. I was already contemplating a double-hackle reversed spider, and Kelvin has shown us the way! Those squid patterns are purty! And then along comes Double D with his new grass shrimp impostor. This is good stuff, and additive to all the patterns in Les Johnson's book.
By the way, an old (73) country boy I met, who's been fly fishing since he was a kid has been fooling searun cutts upstream from tidewater quite a ways recently with Chum Babies! His ties looked a little fuller than Bob Triggs' original (which is destined to become a classic), but they were definitely beauties, and close enough to the original pattern to bear the name.
Blair's Baiter has to be on the list. I've got one left and I'm reluctant to tie it on anymore.
always like using a yellow fly for sea runs.
Double D, thanks for the nice shots of those shrimp. its kinda of amazing what will pop up if you slow down and look around in the shallow salt.
anyone use the bright steelhead colors when fishing sea runs?
seems i have moved toward the more earthy tones with sea runs.
Great post and outstanding tied grass shrimp pattern:thumb:.
In the areas which I fish for sea-run cutthroat there are none or few eel grass beds as such I have not seen any eel grass shrimp. However, I have often seen sand shrimp(light tan color) in the stomachs of resident coho which were kept for the dinner table. The sand shrimp were often found/seen in areas near good sea-run cutthroat location. IMHO sea-run cutthroat probably take advantage of this available found source. I have had excellent success fishing for resident coho and sea-run cutthroat using a sand shrimp pattern. Also, I have often seen coon stripe shrimp(reddish/brown color) in relatively shallow water and had excellent success fishing for sea-run cuthroat and coho using a coon stripe shrimp pattern.
Probably the top three consistent producers for me: Bordens Special ( original and also in really washed out faded colours), Allards orange and a real sparse mickey fin . One sleeper that still produces is Walt Johnsons Spectral Spider. Also a version of Johnsons beach fly, tied entirely from polar bear
Here is an original Johnson Spectral Spider (steelhead version)
Nice photo Ralfish,
Walt was very generous with his flies, that spider has found its home in the curtain of my travel trailer.
Attached is a link to Doug Rose's Fly Fishing Christmas Newsletter 2011. http://dougroseflyfishing.com/blog/?p=551 There is a feature article by Jeffrey Delia who received many favorable references in this thread called "New and Old Ties for Sea-Run Cutthroat". Like most tiers, Jeffrey is experimenting with several new baitfish patterns that the photos demonstrate have been very effective. When the entire body, the wire and throat and most of the wing are chewed off, it demonstrates success. Jeffrey also entices with some Knutson-like patterns that he has been fishing with great success. His description of torpedo-like takes has me counting the minutes until Saturday. Again, like many tiers he mentions tying this pattern in red, yellow, orange, purple, black, brown and green. I know what I am going to be doing tonight.