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Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by ignoranceisbliss?, Feb 18, 2012.

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  1. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    So I have heard a number of unflattering things about this site, mainly that people get banned for making unpopular statements, particularly those that seem to have criticisms over dave scaddens boats. I was just wondering if this is true, and if so why that might be and whether I will get the boot just for bringing up the topic. It is interesting that there is a list of rules yet the admins can kick anyone out for any reason. It seems to me that the point of a forum like this is for anglers to share their experience, and in this watercraft section, I would think that relating ones trials and errors with their boats would be valued at a premium.

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  2. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    Well that is an interesting intro from an interesting annonymous name. Have you been here and booted as another name? Why register to start with a post like this? Trying to make friends and influence people? I'm not initially impressed beyond the cool annonymous name. For the record, proudly own three scad den boats along with a few others. Hate them if you like. Now be nice and contribute to the group, or don't.
  3. jeff bandy Make my day

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    "The owners of Washington Fly Fishing reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any content item for any reason."

    Like when someone represents themselves as a person with a opinion about something. When in reality they have a vested interest in doing damage to the reputation of a competitor. Logging in under different names then slinging shit.
  4. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    First off we don't just ban people for liking a product. We will ban them for secretly promoting directly or indirectly for a non sponsor. This isn't a "public" forum in a community owned way. Its a privately owned forum that the owner allows people to come on for free and post.

    I'd love to hear your sources on who was banned over bad responses about Scadden boats. If that's the case then myself (a moderator) would've been banned years ago. So your rant holds no merit. What we don't like on this forum is spammers.
  5. bhudda heffe'

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    He's all blissed out!!!
  6. Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Welcome to the site. I think that the rumors you have heard only tell part of the story as Jeff alluded to. I don't recall anyone being kicked off this site for giving straightforward, honest feedback about any product or service. If that were true, I'd have been kicked off as several times, I have posted things that I like and don't like about Scadden boats I have owned. In addition, there have been many threads and posts about his customer service and I don't recall those people being kicked off either. Like any product or company, there are fans and detractors on this site, and there are often a healthy, honest debates about products, techniques, services, etc. Just like in real life, it's all about how one delivers their message. The people who stick around here tend to think before they post, don't attack people, are respectful (for the most part), follow the rules (one of which is that you can't have more than one account) and don't do things like Jeff mentioned above. Stick around if you'd like and I think that you will find this is true.
  7. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    WOW, what a warm welcome! I did not know that I had to put my full, real name to be taken seriously. Isn't that the point of an avatar, to remain anonymous while giving the freedom of personal expression? I assure you that I have never been to this site before today, nor do I have or have I ever had another account on this site. The admins can check my IP adress if they wish. Also, I am not affiliated with any particular boat or frame manufacturer, and I am not here to promote anything other making educated purchases as well as the freedom to form ones opinion. I am not trying to "make friends and influence people" or to "impress" anyone with my cool and anonymous name. I simply signed up and did this post to see if it really is true that people could be booted from a flyfishing forum for voicing their opinions as to the quality of inflatable boats. I have been a fishing guide for ten years, a whitewater guide for 5, and I have been professionally repairing rafts for four years now. Therefore I feel I know a little about inflatable boat materials, construction and overall quality. I came across the supposed(does that make anyone feel better?) issue with people being kicked off your site while reading a thread about the quality of scaddens boats in another forum. The general consensus is that they are not of high quality, many pieces need to be replaced, and that DS overstates the quality of materials and the functional abilities and of his boats. Having seen a few and conversed with many who have owned them, I tend to agree. But when I heard that some people had been blacklisted from this site for stating such concerns and urging others not to make their mistake, I felt like looking into this myself. If these rumors are entirely untrue than I apologize for bringing them up, but the way I have been instantly accosted and made into a suspect for bringing up an unpopular topic has done nothing to prove me wrong.
  8. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    "Like when someone represents themselves as a person with a opinion about something. When in reality they have a vested interest in doing damage to the reputation of a competitor. Logging in under different names then slinging shit. " -jeff bandy

    "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."-wff rules

    it seems you have violated the rules with your obscene and vulgar language. Come on. there could be children on here
  9. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    You've yet to be "acosted". Little overdramatic. And having been doing this as long as we have there is definitely an agenda. The ole' "duck" expression comes into effect.
  10. Derek Young 2011 Orvis Endorsed Fly Fishing Guide Of The Year

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    IBTL - oh, and the salt & pepper flavored popcorn is in the microwave. 3...2...1...I'm ready!
  11. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    "First off we don't just ban people for liking a product. We will ban them for secretly promoting directly or indirectly for a non sponsor. This isn't a "public" forum in a community owned way. Its a privately owned forum that the owner allows people to come on for free and post.

    I'd love to hear your sources on who was banned over bad responses about Scadden boats. If that's the case then myself (a moderator) would've been banned years ago. So your rant holds no merit. What we don't like on this forum is spammers. "-jerry

    again, just trying to get to the bottom of this. when you say "secretly promoting directly or indirectly for a non sponsor" what does that mean? would that be PMing people and trying to sell them boats? Or would saying "I like aire boats, you should get one" be considered promoting for a non sponsor? And in bringing up spammers, are you saying that those are the types of actions and activities that get people banned? If so then I wholeheartedly agree. But I do take offense to your calling my post a "rant". I would think that as a moderator you would have more respect and consideration for the thoughts and opinions of those on your forum.
  12. Dustin Bise Active Member

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    Ignorance, what you are doing, is called trolling.

    Respect is earned.
  13. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    God I'm laughing my ass off on this. Hey Derek would you pass the popcorn?

  14. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    I'll agree that accosted was a little overdramatic, but the first response to my thread was characterized by suspicion and ridicule. I do, however, appreciate the welcoming, respectful, informative and on topic reply from Freestone-thanks. And I really hope that this thread does not become locked. I think it would be a great dis-service to your members to not allow this sort of open correspondence. I know that this site is funded by sponsors who don't want their competitors to get advertising for free, but members should be allowed to express their opinions freely and openly, without having to allude to or edit out the names of their favorite/least favorite inflatable manufacturers.
  15. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    there was an actual question in there jerry
  16. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    naw dustin, I'm just dead driftin, mending my ass off
  17. Jerry Daschofsky Moderator

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    I do realize there is a question. But I'm on myh phone doing this between rugby matches. So when I have time to elaborate I will.
  18. bhudda heffe'

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    Igno Did you cancel a trip over a prom dress??
  19. Dustin Bise Active Member

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    ah i see, well u just dead drifted your way onto my ignore list. good luck.
  20. ignoranceisbliss? Banned or Parked

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    0 for 2 bhudda, thanks for chiming in but you haven't contributed anything and your jokes are pretty stupid
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