T Dave, never mind. You are too sure of your own opinion that mine does not matter. From a trusted web source for the rod that I hold in my hands while casting a skagit line: Sage Z Axis 8129-4 - Kiene's Info: A favorite among the Kiene's staff. This is a great rod for winter steel head and Chinook salmon. This rod really excels with a Rio Skagit 600-650 and any amount of T-14 you want to throw. Clearly based on this recommendation I'm Way overlined for this rod, aren't I? Sure, there are others that agree with you in that I'm over the high line. They like less grains in the line. I think you know less about my line needs and my casting style, preferences and skill level than you know about your own. I offered my actual experience with my line and this rod. I also added that my custom line is closer to 570, a full 100+ grains lighter with a slightly longer head than my 660 skagit compact. Kiene's recommends 600-650. I started 10 grains above that. I answered the question. I cast the line. I put it out pretty far for someone of my experience level. I don't care what you think about my input. My input was not directed to you. What you've done is turned the opening question and the thread's direction into "your using too much" and many others have followed your lead. In that case, put in your answer to the question: 600 or more is too much, and leave it at that.