Why not a Spey/Switch rod

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by WA-Fly, Nov 10, 2011.

  1. WA-Fly

    WA-Fly Active Member

    I was watching a guy practicing with his Spey rod at a local lake its pretty cool the mile long casts they make and thought I can cast with a one handed rod fairly well why not get a Spey or Switch rod and want to know some good rods to start out with that arent to expensive under $350 but I am willing to higher.
     
  2. NCL

    NCL Active Member

    I think there are a few new rods in that price but I don't have any experience with them. I just started the spey thing at the beginning of the year and what I did was check the classified ads for a used rod. I found a Scott LS2 for $250.00 which is within your price range. I am not a proficient enough caster to discern sublties in casting so the Scott works great for me.
     
  3. Wadecalvin

    Wadecalvin Member

    For what and where do you plan to fish? TFO and Echo are popular. Beulah classic are a little more, but I prefer above most everything as far as action goes. Anglers Roost Enterprises has some good rods for cheap. Most brands I know of work pretty good for the most part. The most important thing is getting it lined correctly and having a decent warranty which TFO Echo and Beulah all do from what I've heard. It has very much to do with personal preference as far as actions go.
     
  4. WA-Fly

    WA-Fly Active Member

    Thanks guys, I was planning on fishing it for steelhead on large rivers are there any other things these rods can be used for like trout
     
  5. WA-Fly

    WA-Fly Active Member

    can you use any fly reel or are there spey reels
     
  6. East Fork

    East Fork Active Member

    Go on e-bay. Do a search for Anglers Roost. Whatever item pops up, follow it to the sellers store front. Go to the tab for spey rods. He sells $90 rods that are sweet casting but have rough cosmetics. Strange cosmetics really. Try one. If you like spey casting, you will have a good backup rod. My opinion is based on casting the 4 piece, 5 and 7 weights.
     
  7. Matthew LeBret

    Matthew LeBret Active Member

    A large arbor reel a size or 2 above the wt of the rod/line is the normal. 8wt rod should at least be a 9/10 wt reel. You could also get away with a 8 wt lg arbor if you would want to but backing+line+tips+leader take up a lot of space and would most likely crowd the reel.
     
  8. Wadecalvin

    Wadecalvin Member

    True Story. The 5/6 11' switch is also good. The 9/10 12'6 is good ) (500grain skagit stick) - but yeah, the 5/6 and 7/8 are sweet stix!
     
  9. NCL

    NCL Active Member

    A fly reel works but you have to go to the larger sizes, for instance I have a Ross ClA-6 which is rated for a 10/12 weight rod. My understanding is you needed the larger reel to, one, balance the rod and second, to hold the spey lines which are larger.

    Line is a whole subject unto itself, your best bet is to find a fly shop that has a spey specialist and start picking his brain. What I did when I got started was to to the Fly Shop in Redding and have Justin Miller set up my rod with the right weight Scandi and Skagit lines. I then took a casting lesson to get the basic casts. I still consider myself a total neophyte as there is so much to learn but that is how I started this journey.
     
  10. WA-Fly

    WA-Fly Active Member

    I looked at the anglers roost website
     
  11. WA-Fly

    WA-Fly Active Member

    I will probably be buying from them thanks for the info
     
  12. Nooksack Mac

    Nooksack Mac Active Member

    WA-Fly: I've been eyebrow-deep into spey fishing for fifteen years. Allow me to offer a few hints for a prospective beginner:

    As a hobby, spey casting/fishing is tons of fun and totally involving. As a form of fly fishing, it's not the solution to every need. Spey fishing is for larger streams - period. For streams where your normal casting distance is 50 feet or less, a single-hander may be more practical.

    Spey line and rod ratings are completely different from the AFTMA standard for single-hand rods. A long belly line for a 9/10 spey rod weighs about six or seven times what a WF5F does. Very big (meaning expensive, usually) reels? You betcha.

    Spey casting isn't much more difficult than single-hand casting, but both greatly benefit from some competent instruction. Illustrated books are better thn nothing, but they don't teach the dynamic but controlled pace of a spey cast. Video tapes are much better. And there are frequent gatherings of spey enthusiasts, and instructors, free or for hire, who can really get you on the right track. The Spey Pages web forum is a wonderful resource, where generous, knowledgeable spey casters discuss every aspect of the sport.

    As with single hand rods, different spey rod sizes are for different applications and tastes. The most popular spey rods now are around 13 feet, for 6,7, or 8 (spey size lines). Longer rods are powerful tools for bigger rivers, thrilling to use, but seldom necessary. Switch rods (generally, under 12 feet) are simply short spey rods for smaller streams and shorelines. They're often cast overhand style, but mostly with both hands.

    With single hand rods, buying a line of the rod's rated size is 99% dependable. Fitting a spey rod is much trickier. Trial and error, buying or trading spey lines with others, is usually necessary. Accept it.

    There's a learning curve to discover what kind of spey rod action speed, and what line configuration and weight, suits you best. When all these elements come together, the feeling of a successful cast can be almost orgasmic. With every successful cast, a tiny voice within my lizzard brain whispers "I'm a wizzard!"
     
  13. SPEYBUM

    SPEYBUM Member

    This frist thing to understand it just a cast.
    You can do it with a single hand or two handed fly rod.
    Work on the cast with what you have until you understand the cast.
    I am big propionate in learning to cast before you go out and buy a rod.

    Second

    IMHO there are only two fundamental points in all Speycasting.
    These are the underhand and anchor.

    To initiate and execute the cast with the underhand.

    The anchor in all it’s guises. Gain accuracy in placing and understanding the difference between style and essentials when dealing with the anchor whether it is waterborne or airborne.

    Work on these two points , practice them, understand them and celebrate them ;in short time you too can make your own video.

    Come and See me at the Day On The River each Saturday for 9:00 to 12:00 at Fall City Washington.

    Strange thing just got done give Speycasting Lesson Via Skype who would thought.

    Good luck and if you have any question e-mail me at speybum@comcast.net
     
  14. ozcast

    ozcast Member

    My 2 cents - Get the Echo TR7130 and a Lamson Guru 4. Right at your price range, buth are good products that will last you a long time. Both lifetime warranty
    Skagit 510
    Scandi 480
    12' tips for skagit
    17' tapered leader for scandi.
     
  15. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

    What a kind gesture and offer!! I just wish I can live closer to you... but, probably I won't get anything done if I move to WA...lol
    I like the suggestion that learn how to cast before you buy any gear... it will save you some money and reduce frustrations...
    sigle handed spey has the same ingredient you are looking for, with some proper line match up you can start the spey cast right away...


    BTW, Congratulations for the Award! Aaron. That's really awesome!!

    Mark
     
  16. fly dds

    fly dds Drillin N Fillin, Flingin N Swingin

    I agree with the Echo Ozzcast recommended. Best bang for the buck, definately performs like a more expensive rod. The Ion reels from them ain't bad either
     
  17. Rod Wittner

    Rod Wittner Active Member

    I bought the Echo Dec Hogan 13' 7 wt. and a Lamson Konic reel for $375 last spring from another member of this site. I wanted to buy a used outfit because I was brand new and was not sure that I would like the spey rod thing. Well, I do and that rod is a winner. Keep watching the classifieds here and on speypages.com, something will show up in your price range. The Echo spey rods retail for $350, so they are pretty affordable and have a great warranty. Can't go wrong.
     
  18. hydrological

    hydrological beads are NOT flies and snagging is just ghetto

    two words... spey pages. ask questions first, then check out classifieds for used gear.