Would you stop fishing? (Steelhead)

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Panhandle, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I have stopped fishing for them. That's one of the reasons that I moved to Montana. I have caught steelhead on both gear and flies. But the fish have been to far in between catchings. Now here in S/W Montana there isn't any of those fishes here. Now I ply my wiles against the wiley Brown. Which to me is as illusive as the Steelhead. But there are always Cutthroat and Grayling to fill my time that I have left here on earth. With a whitie thrown in for good measure.

    So close all the rivers with steelhead down. It won't bother me.

    Jim
     
  2. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    Just my .02.
    Closing the rivers to steel head fishing will do no good unless all fishing for all salmon/steel head is closed in the ocean and rivers.
    All new construction is closed/stopped along the waters ways, dams removed, habit restored.
    Sorry but I don't think that is going to happen. Too much money involved.
     
  3. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I had another thought. They closed down the Wenatchee river and tribs many years ago. So how was the opener last year? Was it good or bad?

    Jim
     
  4. papafsh

    papafsh Piscatorial predilection

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    I think it would be a good thing, if all of you other guys quit fishing for steelhead, then they wouldn't need to close down any rivers. That would save a lot of $ by not having to enforce the closures. That would also help me catch and release more steelhead.
    Just think how noble you could feel, how highly you could regard yourself, as you piously released another carp. You could pat one another, or even yourself, on the back and regale me with your scorn, as I, the lowest of the low, continued to not only c&r steelies, but horror of horrors, took photo's of them and worse yet actually posted them for all the world to see (see fish porn thread) as though I was, somehow, proud of my heartless rebellion!

    I'm 63 this year, I just c&r my first native steelhead in three years, you may have seen the pic's, if not look in my gallery. If there is an open season I'm fishin' it. When it closes around here at the end of the month, I'll head south, or west, to fish for 'em in open rivers there. You can stay home and tie flys, read books about other people fishing, plan your expensive trip to some other place to catch their fish, or whatever makes your little pc heart happy. I don't intend to spend any of the time I have left on this earth, worrying about your future because this is mine.

    I know, I have offended the selfless and worthy, and for that I'm.........not sorry, sorry!

    LB
     
  5. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    I haven't been fishing for steelhead much in the last two years. Probably only a couple times a month at most, on average, and this year actually even less. I'm not a steel fanatic like some here are. My fishing for steel is probably not a factor at all, since I hardly catch any anyhow. so NO I WON'T quit, as long as it is legal to fish for them.

    I like to fish for practically any species that puts up a fight. But where I live on the coast, the nearest winter fishing is in the local streams for steelhead, or in the salt. The surf has been large and gnarly, as has been the wind, and beach fishing under those circumstances (for surf perch) would be ridiculous. The Jetty is wave-washed, slippery, and unforgiving, and the water flowing past from the Harbor discolored and not conducive to fly fishing for rockfish.

    Every once in a while during the winter, the beach and jetty fishing conditions settle down, but those very few days are too rare to wait around for and I'm already likely to be doing something else.

    Hardly any year-round lakes around my area, and only one within reasonable driving distance... and it sucks in the Winter.

    I hate giving my $$ to the Petroleum Industry, so I try to not drive long distances to go fishing any more, unless i can camp out for a few days to "average down" the fuel expense.

    The nearest places for me to go fishing, excluding the salt, are a couple of smaller streams that, during winter, have small runs of steelhead. I can get to either of those places and back with only burning a little gas and not risking my life on roads that resemble skating rinks.
    I am not going to give that up until it becomes illegal.
     
  6. Panhandle

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    I knew this thing would take the wrong off ramp.

    HYPOTHETICAL PEOPLE!

    No steelhead fishing period! Are you willing to make the sacrifice? It’s a simple concept, don't make it complicated by interjecting thoughts you've had rolling through your head that don't pertain to the question.:)
     
  7. hookedonthefly

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    Have to agree with Salmo g on this one.

    You might just find the rivers closed to you and me while other far greater negative impacts on steelhead remain unaddressed, as is the current state of affairs.

    In my opinion, the termination of Jeffrey Koenings, Ph.D. :mad: alone would offer a more positive outcome than for ALL of us to quit fishing for steelhead.

    Ed
     
  8. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    I would definatly stop fishing steelhead water, under the following conditions

    The tribes and commercial fishermen are not allowed to net.
    All fishing on that water is closed down completly All species.
    All of the money used to run the hatcheries gets diverted to enforcement.
    Also I think it would be cool to put a river time credit system in place.
    Something like, spend 24 hours working with the WDFW to restore habitat on a river and get a 24 hour pass to fish that river.
     
  9. PT

    PT Physhicist

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    Pan, if you want everyone to answer your question as simply as you state there would probably be 25 yes's and 23 no's. That would be an interesting thread to follow.:rolleyes:
     
  10. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Yes.

    I'll assume (for arguments sake) that it is part of a larger recovery effort (commercial harvest curtailing, habitat restoration, purchase of irrgation rights to keep water in the river, etc.)



    First, I think it's tool precious a resource to lose.

    Second, I'd outlive the ban and perhaps live to see the benefits of recovery.

    Third, I can always take a trip every now and again to the great lakes to wrestle west coast metal.

    Honestly if steelhead are more or less extripated from Washington, I would probably move to the great lakes region upon retirement (~57). I have friends in Minnesota (kinda close) and family in the Dakotas. As an added benefit I could get in some great Pike, Walleye and general warmwater action.
     
  11. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide

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    Yes, I would quit fishing for steelhead if the rivers were closed to steelhead fishing for everyone...all players. It would not be that hard for me to make that sacrifice if I knew everyone else was going along with it too. And if it served the purpose of wild steelhead recovery.

    Like I said earlier, i like to fish for all kinds of species.

    We would most definitely have to get the state to fund more enforcement, as the poachers would certainly use less eyes on the river to their advantage. I actually think the amount of poaching that goes on is huge, but thats just my opinion.

     
  12. Davy

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    I am about 13 yrs junior to um , but I do agree with Papafish, this is alot of our(s) future and truthfully I care a little bit about others futures but not really. I just don't really care if some person not even born yet gets to fish or not 25, 50 or 150 years from now . I guarantee you they don't and will never care about me at that point. But yeah, go ahead and close 'em. Prove what a great battle you fought. Just don't come down here and populate these rivers this spring and assist in getting them closed too.
    but....
    take up salt water species full time? no arm twisting needed there either
     
  13. fatguide

    fatguide fish or DIE

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    In 93' I moved to Montana from Oregon and accepted the fact that my steelhead fishing days were over. At that time my decision was based on Montana being a much better place to finish raising the family.

    Winters were hell, period. Steelhead haunted me. For some reason I didn't get rid of my steelie gear. I would clean lines, reels, put the rods together once in a while just to cast and dream steelhead. Three years went by......sorta.

    Then I was introduced by a friend to the Salmon River, then the Clearwater River in Idaho. Game on. Winters were now some thing to look forward to again.

    At 54, what you ask of me would mean I most probably would never catch another metalhead.

    In 93' my decision to give up steelhead fishing was based on what was best for, and the love of my family.

    Could I or would I give up fishing for steel again? Is my love for steelhead as strong as my love for my family?

    Yes.
     
  14. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    OMJ (Steel heading on the Wenatchee ?)
    What I noticed was some guys caught a few steel head and most didn't.
    The interest faded fast.
    I'm going to give it ( the Wenatchee) another try with the warming weather.
    I did some swimming/snorkeling on the river last summer and I didn't see very many trout in the lower river.
    I have noticed that there were a lot more salmon spawning than ever before and in places I had not seen salmon spawning before.
    Not trying to hijack Pan's thread ( sorry Pan)
    I
     
  15. 1morecast

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    Panhandle, Great question,and a tough one to answer! Giving up steelhead fishing would be hard for me to do as it is a big part of my life! Reading all the opinons of others brings up a whole new set of questions. Something that I do not see WDFW capable of addressing.
     
  16. chromeseeker

    chromeseeker Where's the Bucket?

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    Yes, in a heartbeat. I've already made plans to cut back on steelie fishing as early as this summer. This coming year, I plan to focus on the other species in the "Big C"--smallies and carp. Steelie fishing is great, but it's really beginning to suck to go fishing multiple times in a row without so much as a bump--beats you down pretty quickly. I mean, I love "just being out there" as much as the next angler but at some point, it's actually nice to put a bend in the rod. So, the warm water species, along with trout and the occasional saltwater trip, would not make me forget about steelies entirely, but I'd survive just fine.

    CS
     
  17. Davy

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    In emails a way's back I would talk about the current steelhead fishing with the late Tom White, he would laughingly and dismissively write back from Marathon Key in Florida about tarpon; " just imagine a 6 foot long Skagit native" to quote him.

    This from a Washington (Sedro-Wooley) grown steelhead fanatic ,great casting instructer and GLoomis rep and friend to anyone.

    All those unused 4" reels can be put to good use down south.
     
  18. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Here's a possibly interesting thread I may or may not start...

    What if we just considered native steelhead gone. They are just a fish that couldn't adapt fast enough. Hatchery fish are close enough.

    So we do the following - more hatcheries + better hatchery practices. We spread out the massive planting to be year round with a few different strains and with many many imprinting areas to try and keep the fish spread out as much as possible.

    We continue to work in habitat, fish passage, logging and development practices, polluction issues, netting, etc.

    Question - in the above scenario, would you put down your rod, or hit the rivers - perhaps reluctantly and perhaps with a glimmer of hope you'll catch a rare true native - but you'll fish none the less...
     
  19. BFK

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    Chad-- Let's add one more component to that scenario--all hatchery fish are fin-clipped, and only fin-clipped fish are taken as broodstock after the initial planting. I would get behind that program in a heartbeat. There are too many rivers and streams that no longer have wild fish in them, yet we're not planting hatchery fish to save wild fish that aren't there. We could have good fishing in a lot of rivers if we spread out the pressure by expanding the range and timing of runs. But, no, we have to "save" wild fish that aren't there. Go figure that one out.
     
  20. Davy

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    I am sure the pols in the state houses are all for this no hatchery stuff- they will still collect the same monies and will be able to spend it all on whatever they have promised to undisclosed keepers. Sure they will drop a dime or nickel out to to groups that are supposedly trying to restore river gravel and veggies and habitat. But the bulk of the money I am convinced will go to nice general fund goodies like "economic developers" ;;i.e remove economic.
     

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