Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by KerryS, Mar 28, 2007.
Please tell us why you made the choice you made.
I've been supporting a statewide (and Canada wide) wild steelhead C&R fishery by my own actions since I moved here in 1991.
Kerry-before i vote....does this simply refer to no kill fisheries, or is this also suggesting opening all areas to C&R?
absolutely but only if everyone has to abide by the wild steelhead C&R. that includes NAs as well as commericals. if they don't, we should not have to either.
I voted yes but am not really sure what I voted for. Like all the initiatives we vote on around here, your proposal was a little ambiguous. Since I don't fish the OP, as far as I'm personally concerned the state is already C&R on wild steelhead anyway. I am resigned to the probability that it will truly become statewide C&R on wild fish as far as the sport fishery is concerned as and when things go downhill on the OP. I release all wild salmonids (not just steelhead) I catch in this state, so I personally already "support" a statewide C&R on fishery on wild steelhead. Why? Seems like wild fish are under enough pressure from myriad factors that they could use one less factor to worry about (i.e., getting bonked by me for the smoker, barbecue, frying pan, etc.) I'd jump for joy if the natives left wild fish alone too, but the fact that they don't wouldn't persuade me that I shouldn't forego harvesting wild fish. Conditioning one's support for sport C&R wild steelhead fishery on other user groups behaving themselves seems, shall we say, rather unenlightened. Now, if you have any good ideas for how to get natives on board for statewide C&R on wild steelhead, I'm all ears.
I would and I would like to see the fine for breaking law and keeping a wild fish unreasonably large like $2k.
If the system is changed to this I would also like to see an extra tag specifically for steelhead so people cant incidentally target them. I would like to see a sizeable portion of that extra fee put directly into improving habitat.
how about go singapore style, cut their hand off if they poach! I certainly would support a state wide C&R. While some at management agencies might say abundance wouldnt rise much, you dont know until you try and close them to harvest. Problem is, the only rivers harvest is still allowed in also have native gill net fisheries that take an unreasonably high number of fish in my opinion.
I C&R every salmonid I catch now as it is...
There's other fish to fill your freezer with than steelhead.
...because I'm moving to New York at the end of the summer!
I voted no. I don't like blanket laws and think such things as C&R regulations, harvest levels, seasons, etc. should be set on a case by case or river by river basis. Personally I would release all wild steelhead no matter if it were mandatory or not. My poll was not to find out what your personal choices are as much as to see if you would support a law that mandates all wild steelhead be released in the state and no I am not suggesting this be used as a means to open currently closed fisheries.
This issue is a whole lot larger than simply c&r. If steelhead, wild ones at least, are listed under ESA across the state, it will be c&r for some years to come.
The idea of 'blanket laws' sounds like a copout in many ways. Do we really value wild steelhead or not? If almost all historic runs are gone, but a few are 'strong' (according to who?), do we wait until the remaining runs are nearly wiped out before making then C&R as well?
Who does wild steelhead C&R really hurt? Guides? Business? Bubba's freezer?
Our regs are as bad as the tax code. We complain that they are too complex out of one side of our mouth, then complain if there is a 'blanket law' that does not take a spefic little creek, fish species, or salt water zone into consideration. Keep the regs simple. No fin, it goes back. No second guessing and no excuses ("officer, I thought it was OK to keep 6 native steelhead on this river???????").
Then we ban together and go after the nets...
The research has proven that catch and release works.
Nest box planting works. Keep the hatchery fish for dinner.
Catch and release works
In the long run, C&R helps everyone, just like the no smoking rule in bars ultimately increased restaurant and bar business. Overall, in the long run, there are no disadvantages to having more wild fish.
I think Statewide C&R would be great but more important is more FINES AND JAILTIME. I still see poachers ALL THE F'ING TIME and I still see drift boats with bonked wild steelhead ALL THE F'ING TIME.
The real problem are the people that don't give a $&#$&# what the law says because they believe it is their right to kill these fish. Until there are some serious penalties handed more frequently, I don't think the impact will be much.
Oh, and how about a DETAILED explainer of C&R and its proper practice, history, water temps, fish physiology et cetera in the REGs. Wouldn't it be nice if people were educated in a way that makes them appreciate rather than simply losing their rights and having no idea what it is about? The later just pisses them off and probably leads to more bonking.
I voted yes, because I support catch and release for native/wild steelies, but this is a very complex monster with tentacles all over the place. Really complicated. Good poll though. Coach
J, what rivers are you seeing wild steel being bonked all the time? Coach:beer2:
My local river: Nooksack
Poaching is rampant even by fly fishers who think catch and release is fine! The worst though are drift boats who think I am "one of them" that will let me in on their secrets if I ask nicely.
How many bonked wild steelhead do you think are hiding under a blanket of ice and beer in those boats. It is A LOT. This year I even heard guys complaining about the shitty hatchery run as a justification for taking something, anything, home. I heard one guy ACTUALLY say, "It doesn't matter what it is. Its goin' in the pickup." at a plunking hole......Not to mention the impact on dollies....
I can't even talk about this stuff without getting super worked up. I have been volunteering for Nooksack Salmon Enhancment for a decade and care a lot about this river only to see a lot of the locals treat it any way they want.
I haven't even mentioned the Gorilla-Meth-Netters that pop up mostly in the off season.
However, I have met some great bait chucking gentlemen on the river and had a good time with them so I won't make generalizations.
Even though I'm in Oregon, I voted yes. The majority of our rivers (the Rogue from 1-1 to 4-31 being the exception that comes to mind - max of 5 unclipped fish) are already C & R for 'wild fish' now.
That said! Until you get enough 'badges' out there to ENFORCE the ban you're 'pissing in the wind.' All be it I'm repeating myself, game checking (fish) is one of the main duties of the Oregon State Police. "You call, they HAUL."
Fishing the Rogue since the mid-1990's I can truthfully say I've never seen anyone from the State Game dept ... save for when I went into there office for something. OSP? All the time; you can tell the fisheries guys, all drive white 4x4 PU's.