Yarnies - Love or Hate?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by flyfishmt, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. sopflyfisher Active Member

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    if i was to use a bobber on a fly rod it would be one of those red and white ones. or snoopy. cause both are cheap, poorly crafted, and funny looking much like the the argument to accept them as flyfishing.
  2. flyfishmt Active Member

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    I just bought 6 one inch white Thingamabobbers for my upcoming trip to the OP. My strategy is that they will look like white, foamy water bubbles and won't spook the fish. Other than me mending like a calf roper, I will look just like every other drifter. I fish like I drink, not for sport, but for effect.
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  3. Rob Allen Active Member

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  4. Chris Bellows The Thought Train

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    as long as it is legal, you can indeed nymph. it is also possible to nymph without shot or a bobber.

    this issue is brought up imo less because of individuals who use the technique, but the wholesale embrace by the industry of this technique for steelhead. it is indeed easier for beginners to catch fish on a guided trip using this method and it was brought up earlier in the thread that this is great for beginners to steelhead fly fishing. i disagree even though there are many who just want to hook a fish and the "how" matters little. i believe the vast majority of fly fishermen who become interested in steelhead do so because of what they read and now watch online. reading books like doug rose's, bill mcmillan's, dec hogan's, and trey comb's introduce you to steelhead in a way that is very different from today's industry. videos online from skagit master to april vokey's profile on 60 minutes sport show something far different that what the industry delivers. most videos and pictures online (especially within the industry) hide bobbers and yarn flies or beads. why????

    not every beginner is smart enough to know what they will receive on a guided trip and to know there is something different than what they have read and seen. they often do not know enough or feel confident enough to question their trip stuck in a boat staring at a bobber. the funny thing is that when a client pushes to swing the guide can put them over fish and often get them their first fish on the swing. unfortunately for clients, this is usually tougher for many guides because although rowing many miles is physically challenging, giving clients the control over the success of the day and standing on a gravel bar watching can be much more mentally taxing.

    as i said earlier, the grace and beauty of fly fishing is sold to beginners but it is rarely delivered. maybe it is the dilution of the guide pool that teaching is becoming a lost art over numbers and it might be that most newer anglers just don't care. i would like to think anglers do want to be taught more than a windshield wiper cast. or maybe it is just a side effect of less fish and more anglers.

    for many definitions do not seem to matter as long as it is fun and legal. i understand that sentiment but i also believe definitions do matter (although certainly fly fishing definitions rank pretty low on the importance scale).

    to the original poster, i hope you have a great trip and i do hope that the fly shop you called for advice gave you more fly advice than just yarnies.
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  5. Salmo_g Active Member

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    "Or maybe your just having fun too?" Looks like you're finally figuring this out.

    I wonder if they are willing to step and say that some of the greats of the sport were not or are not actually flyfishing. They may be great, and they may be great at some sport, but they aren't that great at fly fishing if they have to resort to bobber and split shot.
  6. Irafly Active Member

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    Again, semantics. If you look up the definition for reverence, it is defined as a deep respect for someone or something, so yeah respect and reverence are different, that's why I defined it differently as well. So you have no deep respect for these people? I bet you do, but your definition of reverence is probably something different than just deep respect and that is the problem with arguing semantics.
  7. Irafly Active Member

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    Where, where, where, I'm there yesterday. :)
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  8. John Weston Member

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    wow, I was gone yesterday and today till now. 20 pages. yep, I think we will hit 30 by turkey day. are we just trying to do this or what.
    well at least I am fly fishing. no don't think about it. it's the way I have fly fished since 1974 when I gave up dry flies and found wet flies are better for me. I didn't even know what all this was about till I started reading it. I watch some vids with this indicator thing but I don't think I will use it. I have never had problems hookin steel the way I fish. I don't really care how one fishe's as long as they are havin fun. thanks guys.
  9. Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about nymphing from a boat, versus nymphing while wading.

    It seems to be what the original issue was in this thread. If you are wading and nymphing, you are covering much less water, are probably doing a lot more "fly casting," and basically, as Glasso put it, standing on your own two feet and finding your own fish. The other thing with wading is that, regardless of whether or not one calls it flyfishing, you are still limiting yourself to the amount of water you can cover on your feet. And if you are into putting limits on yourself, for the sake of the fish, that seems like an admirable one.

    Then there is nymphing from a boat. I've done it once. I had fun doing it. The more I think about it though, the less I feel good about it. My reason for not feeling too good about it is just what has been said at a few points in this thread--it was basically floating down the river shoving that fly in the face of every possible fish. In retrospect, I wish I had asked the guide that day if we could spend more time swinging. Since it was my first guided trip ever, I was kind of just along for the ride, listened to my friend and the guide and did what I was told. The guide did give me a quick spey casting lesson, and I managed to roll a fish my first time casting the long rod, and it felt awesome!

    Anyway, I think that is a more important and possibly more useful discussion to have--wading vs. floating.
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  10. Alexander Fishon

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    Somebody lock this pointless thread...I'm getting dizzay :D
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  11. PT Physhicist

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    You can self moderate this thread by not reading it. Pretty simple, really.
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  12. Peyton00 Active Member

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    It would be easy to solve if all could agree that spoon fishing on my bait caster is so close to throwing a sculpin pattern i get to call myself a flyfisherman.... dammit! :p
  13. Alexander Fishon

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  14. Alexander Fishon

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    Easy buster...just having fun like everyone else. Or are you not having fun? Don't let this stuff raise your blood pressure, it's not worth it. Instead get out on a river and swing an egg pattern with a San Juan worm dropper under a bobber. :D. Oh I forgot, add some split shot for good measure. ;)
  15. Alexander Fishon

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    It takes some serious skill to fly cast a rig like that! :D
  16. Randall Clark Active Member

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    or a spey rod and a skagit head...piece of cake.

    wonder how many circles this thread has gone through...just a hunch, but I'd guess that exactly zero people had their minds changed on the various subjects relating to nymph fishing...but yes, it actually has been rather entertaining to see it over and over and over and ov....

    up next, DoubleJigTruderBead.
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  17. KerryS Ignored Member

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    ...or put everyone who is posting to this thread on your ignore list. There are only a few of us keeping this piece of crap going.
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  18. sopflyfisher Active Member

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    i just keep checking in to see which pros are on iras indicator reverence list.
  19. flyfishmt Active Member

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    I like to use tungsten putty instead of split shot when bobber fishing. Not only is it about 1.7 times heavier than lead, it is moldable and environmentally friendly I like to sculpt my T-putty into an aerodynamically designed shape, thereby imparting the Bernoulli effect, which in turn creates a low pressure area for my bobber to pass through making my casting easier to perform. The aerodynamically designed shape of my T-putty also gives me the ability for pin point accuracy casting into well know travel zones of the Oncorhynchus mykiss, which in turn elevates my cast to catch into a proportional ratio that increased\s my odds for numerous fish porn photo ops for the various outlets of social media I subscribe to.
  20. Alexander Fishon

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