I think I am the one who should apologize for bringing this subject up. However, I have seen these types of discussions many times before whether it be in an Internet forum or around a campfire on some river bank. I am 60 year old and have been fly fishing since I was 14. My father was a purist, so I was raised in that world. I was a fly fishing guide when strike indicators (bobbers as my dad would say) first came out and I hated them. Then, I saw the advantages to "vertical" fishing and its ability to allow folks with limited abilities to catch fish. So, I sold out. I stood firmly on San Juan worms and Glo-bugs not being "true flies" for years, before I finally compromised. When my dad would come up in fish, he would turn his nose up at my flies and the way I would fish. He would much rather "catch one his way, than a 100 my way." He of course over the years softened up, but still never fished with an indicator. The hopper/dropper, of course was exempt. When I was a kid, there were like 8 fly patterns (give or take a few) that everyone used. Now, there are literally 1,000's and each day there is a new and improved one coming out. I guess the discussion on what is and isn't fly fishing could go on and on arguing every aspect of what the real boundaries are. The same is true with what is a fly and what isn't. Does saran wrap for a back make a scud any less a fly than it would be with Swiss straw or deer hair. Does a gold bead head ruin a pheasant tail? What's the difference between a shooting head over a weighted fly or split shot? The real answer to this question is what was it that drew us to WFF? The answer of course is fly fishing. Each year, more and more things are happening that drastically affect the sport we love so much and one that has given me countless hours of fun. But, instead of focusing on the real threats, we have an ongoing argument over our philosophical differences. Just the other day, I posted a nice picture of a Coho on another site that I caught in BC. For every compliment I received, there was a subsequent remark about me killing the fish by taking it out of the water. Is this where the sport is going to go? To a place where we have to nitpick each other apart instead of basking in the love and enjoyment of such a great sport. In my day, we never had such an avenue as the website and for the most part our opinions were shared over a beer on the tailgate of a pickup truck at the boat ramp. I could go on and on about this, but I feel I have made my point. The younger generation is doing a fine job of taking the torch and protecting this beloved past time. For the most part everything I read here is awesome and enjoyable. I assume full responsibility for this thread and the heartache it created. I will tread more lightly in the future.