I'm not disagreeing with anything you said Steve, I would just like to add one thing to that: Dams are not the only component of the solution. The other competing root cause HAS to be habitat. It HAS to be habitat because there are plenty of rivers in SW that have no dams and have as many problems as those that do. The beauty of the rivers in SW that have dams on them is is that they all have high quality habitat in the upper watersheds. If you compare the Upper Cowlitz/Cispus, Upper NFL, and Upper White Salmon with the East Fork Lewis, Washougal and Elochoman- guess which rivers hold watersheds residing within Wilderness Areas- not national forests, Wilderness? Which ones are logged? Not saying Dams aren't a primary cause- they're just another manifestation of habitat degradation.