Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Bob Triggs, Jun 6, 2012.
Just imagine the possibilities if we could harness the energy from some of these posts
Therein lies the issue with ordering online or from a catalog. I agree with you that I like my 'Shrimp Pink' to be more 'Shrimp' and less 'Pink'. But that is this particular dye batch, from this particular company. We do have some beautiful shrimp pink fur and marabou though. As well as two other shades of 'pink' hackle.
Etamaman thank for the kind words. I thanked the gentleman for coming in and gave him a brochure of all the upcoming classes and seminars that we have planned. The fly fishing community is too small to hold a grudge against anyone. This guy will come back sometime because he will remember we treated him with respect.
Everyone who walks in the door gets the same degree of service and respect regardless of the amount of money they spend.
If I was in Spokane, I would not hesitate to purchase from your shop. You have the "right" attitude. I'm the old fart that would stop by, make a small purchase of $10, and, if I'm treated with respect and a smile, I'll guarantee I would be back. Because, next time, it could be the $200-$700 purchase. If someone in a shop isn't friendly because of my small purchase, I generally won't be back.
I have NEVER spent just $10 in a fly shop. I figure that's why they smile at me!
A slight tangent, but although it's true that some fly shops are closing, I often stop to think how lucky we are that there are so many in this region. It doesn't seem that long ago to me that Patrick's was the only fly shop in Seattle, although you could get some fly stuff or fly-related gear at other sporting good stores and the like. Actually I don't think there were any "full-survice" fly shops until maybe the late 70s. I recall picking up odds and ends at Warshall's, Eddie Bauer, Hippo's, and my first Wheatley fly box actually came from the old Frederick & Nelson department store.
Ultimately the number of fly shops we have will be determined by the size of the fly fishing market, which I heard peaked nearly a decade ago. If true, there will be fewer fly shops going forward, and the total fly business will be split between internet sales and brick and mortar shops, like most other kinds of retail businesses.
Well, "La Te Da"... for you. Maybe you haven't fly fished and accumulated 50 years worth of equipment like some of us... not that I don't need more. I guess you haven't had to "run" in to your local shop because you ran out of something like thread or a certain feather. Well, I NEVER........!!!
I know a shop just like that.....
I'm just thankfull that I don't work or own a fly shop and have to put up with all the bitchin !!!!
I've spread my larger purchases between the net and the brick.I never get quite as good a deal from brick places but I found a shop that I like so I feel perfecly fine knowing I'm supporting something local.I also like the fact that the guy throws me a little bone no matter what I buy.Not so much the discount but the feeling of being appreciated as a customer.
Since I don't tie flies the local fly shop is
where I get them.
The Morning Hatch closed and now I have
Gig Harbor and Anil's shops.
Both great by the way.....
Everything you could ask for with advice,
tips, and things I need NOW are there.
Big ticket items, which I seldom purchase,
are done on the web. Waders, Rods, Reels etc....
I tend to buy older proven equipment versus
the latest and newest. However I do and will
continue to support the local shops in my
small dollar way. They are important to everyone
in the fly fishing community.
I personally love to shop at fly shops. I stop at them in most all the towns I fish near. I buy most all my gear from them. I do have to say though that if I walk into a fly shop and the crew behind the counter acts like a bunch of pompus ass clowns, i walk right back out. I used to live in Asheville NC and there are three fly shops in the area. One is in a very rich upscale part of town and mostly has shit you would never use or could afford, but they had a staff that was top notch. I went in there quite a bit and bought what I could from them. The relationships I developed with the staff there was great. The second shop was the big shop in town and had all your fly fishing needs. Even had some great deals on the sales rack. The staff there were all to a one total dickheads. I went in there three times. The first time was to get flamed out and ignored for being a yankee. Told the "hot spot" was a local ditch. The second time in there was to show off the great waders that I bought from across town (they did not like this). The third time was to tell them that one of their former employees had jumped ship on them and is now working across town.
The third shop was soon to become my home away from home. They had a good selection and a great staff. But what they really had going for them is the crew loved customers. They talked to everyone and didn't try to rip anyone off. Never did I hear "this fly is the one" and it wasn't.
As far as online. I don't think I have ever had a great experience with my own computer, other than with porn.
Amazing input in this rapidly expanding six pages. I like my local shop. I like nearly every other shop that I've been in. I don't have a lot of cash, but for the information and service available I don't mind parting with some of my money for a nice fly shop experience. Online shopping has its place. Buying used has its place. Buying at a local shop has its place.
Insulting other people just to fail at attempting to make your point has no place. It only proves what an ass you are willing to admit to being. I'd prefer you keep that to yourself. (I figure the few of you that should know that I'm referring to you actually are smart enough to figure out that I am directed this your way.)
I've never been able to try on something from the internet then buy it at my local shop. Doing the reverse seems rude to me. I like your approach Jesse, you still dealt with that person with integrity and respect and eventually that person likely will return. Maybe this time they return to actually open their wallet. You are a very respectable man, run a nice shop and I'm glad to have visited it and met John...who I can only assess is a lot like his father, congratulations!
Now as to one of the most significant underlying problems with small businesses here in Washington, and presumably other states. Until the online environment is forced to charge the same amount as the brick and mortar store, including sales tax, the online environment will have an advantage. That advantage will constantly be embattled with quality products at the fingertips of in store shoppers being presented by quality customer service agents. Every one of us will have to pick a side in that battle every time we have something we want. If you stick your neck out beyond the interwebs and electronic only interaction you will find that those relationships you forge in a shop will be worth the time of stepping away from your keyboard and spending a bit more at the shop.
It is stupid that I can buy a Sage high end rod from an online shop based in Ohio at a prices that are below the factory set price, below what any local shop can sell them for, and that they don't charge you sales tax or shipping. I don't give a rats ass what kind of education anyone has, anyone that can comprehend anything can see that there is more to this than is totally in control of the local shop guy.
quick question though, what if a non-local fly shop that you do visit occasionally has a great deal on something. can you ask the local shop to match/beat there deal or buy from the latter? thats the position i'm in on my spey set up right now and am feeling sort of guilty...
I'm seeing a theme here and it made me think of my own experience--not at a fly shop, but at the wholesalers I buy parts and equipment from to do my job. The ones I go to, or call first when I need a part, are the ones that know me. They know my name, and razz me as much as get razzed by me when I'm in their store. This internet thing is cool, the buying and Windows shopping, forums like this, texting, emailing, but its setting up in society a hunger for personal contact. I can talk to you, and read your responses, but it ain't the same as a friendly chat over a glass of water or cup of coffee. I suspect the answer to the need created by the net, is personalism. Instead of a customer, treat me as a friend, and I'll be in your store as frequently as I can....but I'm no marketing guru, just a customer.
Hehe, hehe... he said stepping away from your keyboard... hehe, hehe... 14,770... hehe, hehe...
Sorry, is that how you make a beavis/butthead type voice in print...?
...or is it more like: huhu, huhu... huhu, huhu...
Ass, stupid, rats ass. Good stuff. BR
Son in law-and he can't ever afford to take advantage of his pro discounts with two small kids and a house payment, and since I'm his main ski partner (usually buy his ticket) and now his AT ski buddy (we just did The Birthday Loop off North Cascades Hwy Memorial Day) he wanted to do something for me in return. So if he lost his pro discount it really wouldn't matter at all to him! Rick
I guess we will see how things workout for fly shops, if they stay in business they are doing okay, if not, clearly doing something wrong. Time always will let us know. BR
Right-o. I just know those who offer pro discounts (myself included, since I head up that dept. for Allen) aren't keen on people buying things for friends/relatives. Wasn't meaning to call you out, just warning in case you weren't aware of the possibility of something happening in that regard.
It's ashame that these mom and pop businesses are going out of business. I used to frequent mine for many years and did a load of business with them, my dad before me also. But, the influx of the internet, large department size sporting good stores and the fact that people don't care what country thier merchandise comes from as long as they can save a couple bucks are ruining these mom and pop stores. Try going into Dicks', Gander Mt., Cabelas or even Orvis and get information on local hatches and water conditions. Chances are you are talking to a HS Student who has no idea what you are talking about or even the manager that travels 25 miles to work or more. You just can't get the professional service or the personal service you can get at your local shops. I understand you may pay a little more but, it is comparable to and small shop in price, just not the internet price. Don't feed in to these internet stores or department stores and let the local shops have to close up. They are a treasure and I for one will continue to support them.