13' Whaler opinions?

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  1. Milt Roe

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    Funny how they seem to accumulate...

    It is interesting to see what boats people have and how they use them. Maybe a new thread on the watercraft forum?
     
  2. johnnyrockfish

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    Go Whaler. Period. It ain't going down, and that's really important in cold water.
     
  4. Denny

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    Comparing the 13' whaler super sport to the 15' Dauntless is comparing apples to oranges. I agree with you that the Dauntless is a dandy . . . pretty price, though, even used; wish I could convince the warden, er wife, that we 'needed' one.
     
  5. Mike T

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    I've recently been doing the familiar shuffle between an aluminum boat and a Whaler or it's equivalent. An aluminum boat would take care of about 90% of the fishing I'd do. But the Whaler, a 17' Montauk, would allow for easier cruising etc.

    The thing that both amazes and frustrates me is that the Whalers hold their values so well. I keep hoping to find a newer one for 70% the cost of a new one but that just doesn't happen. Buying new in today's economy strikes me as a sucker's bet.
     
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    I have a 17ft Montauk. It has a casting deck up front and I'm building one for the rear. It's a great boat but not a laker. I also have a 14ft Klamath aluminum but found that it was too unstable an the Sound with kids(2). There wasn't enough room for them and equipment. I kept it with building a deck in front and back and using it for a larger, stand up casting platform in mind. I haven't gotten to that yet. You'll do better in the long run with a bigger boat as the kids will get bigger, too.
     
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    If you get a Montauk make sure it's got a decent V hull. The old style hulls were horrible riding. The 18 Outrage, (years 1981 - 1990) is a better choice for all around usage and they show up in the region for sale occasionally. one good website to peruse for whaler info is continuous wave. Here's what it says about the Outrage and my experience confirms their opinion: "The Outrage 18 (1981-1990) is a true classic among the many models of Boston Whaler boats. Although only one foot longer than the 17-Montauk, the Outrage 18 is a much different boat in three important aspects: hull, cockpit, and fuel."

    Good luck and be patient. Beware of waterlogged whaler hulls which can be common up here (almost all of the older boats have water in the foam).

    JR
     
  8. Mike T

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    Thanks JR- I've been searching for that type detail! I'm really not finding any interesting older Montauks. Most of the ones I've found on craigslist and boattrader are withing $5,000 to $7,000 of buying new or are old enough to make me concerned about re-powering them.

    It appears that they must still be selling good numbers of new Whalers as the local dealers are holding firm to their "boat show specials". I always assumed that show specials meant the dealers tacked an additional $1,000 to retail.

    As much as I'd love a Whaler I think we'll go with a 16' Smokercraft tiller steered boat with a 40 horse. It will be fast, economical and less maintenance. Both my wife and I can cast from it and get a Whaler later if we wish. I know that's the "mature" choice, but honestly that's never been my strong suit.
     
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    Perfect choice and incredibly usable and versatile. 6 gallons will last you a week.

    Cheers!

    JR
     
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    i don't intend to piss on anyone's fire just wanted to add a bit of information for your morning chew.

    the patent that whaler had for foaming a hull ran out a very long time ago. its a process where the top and bottom parts are molded independently then joined, various way used here, then a chemical based 'foam' is injected into the voids. this is what made their boats 'unsinkable'.

    when i was researching 'reelfast', i found 5 other manufactures using this exact same process. a couple of them were also using composite stringers and transom parts (read that, wood is bad). so whaler is not the only company at present with 'unsinkable boats', they were simply the first. the aura that floats over them is a result of that firstness not anything special in todays boat building industry.

    also keep in mind that fiberglass has zero structural integrity. that is why all fiberglass boats have stringer systems. the best of these now use composite materials and vacum bagging techniques when doing the glass layup, no more chopper guns. but no matter, all of this adds tremendous weight which means more power to operate which means more fuel burn. reelfast LOA is 32'. her WET weight is 6,100#. moving into a whaler of similar size would kick that weight up to about 8,000-9,000# and forced moving up to 6 cylinder engines for the exact same performance.

    if you are seriously thinking about blue water running, then you need to investigate the hulls of choice to insure they have been designed for that purpose. you will find bow entry angles of 40-45 degrees (very steep) and an exist angle of 22-24 degrees. these are not arbitrary numbers but have evolved over decades of boat construction to provide a ride in rough water.

    that is why some of the whaler hulls are such poor choices and such wet rides, along with a whole host of other manufactured boats.

    holding the line on pricing seems to be a brunswick company strategy, it indicates not much of anything. if the economy continues to slide, there are going to be deals to be had, just mark your timing. all of these recreational industries are struggling to keep there heads above water, whaler is not going to be imune from this economic trend.

    now if you are running around puget sound, i would advise that simple is best. the less stuff you have to deal with on your boat the happier you are going to be and you will have more time for fishing. given the less than desirable ramps you will encounter, that easy to handle aluminum boat is going to make you grin each time she slides of the trailer.
     
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    This is exactly the same conclusion I came to. Now = maximum utility. Once the kids are out of school >> big, cool looking 'bay boat' for me...
     
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    hope you have a good doctor to take care of your back with the beating you'll get in an aluminum boat like that. i dont own one but have fished out of several. A choppy day in the sound is NO fun in an aluminim boat
     
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    I'm getting everything together to start building one of these next fall...
     

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    Before I was in the boating industry I had a Montauk. Very stable but I got used to wearing raingear regardless of weather as it running hull design and lack of shear meant an extremely wet ride. I've been in the Whaler plant in Fl numerous times and fully understand their mfg technique. The injected foam becomes an integral part of the strength structure of the boat. Basically its 2 relatively thin skins chemically bonded together and filled with foam. A major issue has been the hull or deck getting a crack and allowing water to get into the foam and adding a lot of weight. Once water gets in its impossible to get it out. Its negatives aside, whalers are very low maintenance, and hold their value extremely well.