2 handers on the beach...disadvantages?

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Nick Clayton, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. TimHa

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    I agree with the switch rod following. I went to a Sage Z-Axis 11' 6-weight right when they came out a few years ago and would never go back to a single hander from the beach. This thing has landed countless sea-runs, lots of coho, plenty of pinks, and quite a few summer steelhead. In heavy current, like the Narrows or Purdy, you can spey cast and in light current you can overhand cast it. I do a hybrid cast a lot, sending a spey cast out then shooting an overhead cast and can knock out almost all the fly line effortlessly that way. I probably fish this rod 70% of the time through the summer/fall months these days for either steelhead or saltwater use only gonig to a sigle-handed rod when trout fishing or fishing from my kayak.

    Tim
     
  2. Matthew Gulbranson

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    Tim, that sounds about right. I have the ZA 5110 for src's and pinks and the 7110 for summer steel and others and it's really a great combo. Don't know if you'd really want to fish the 7110 for src's as it would be over gunned. But the 6110 might not be so bad. Although I don't know if I would want to land a chum on the 6110. But you can do it.
     
  3. Kim Hampton

    Kim Hampton Not Politically Correct

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    Thought I'd bring this one back to life a bit being I have a sore shoulder from casting for SRC all day yesterday with my single handed rod. 6wt Xi2.

    I have a Meiser 11' Switch. The number on it if that makes any difference is: S2H1165a'-4. Probably the main thing is the rod is rated for 400 to 550 grains.

    What I'm wondering is what weight intermediate Outbound should I get for this rod. The grain weight thing confuses me some.
    Thanks...Kim
     
  4. miyawaki

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    Kim,

    I don't know and don't want to guess but I'm sure that Bob can tell you if you call or email him. I don't think you should have a sore shoulder from casting an Xi2. How's your mechanics?

    Leland.
     
  5. Kim Hampton

    Kim Hampton Not Politically Correct

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    Thanks Leland....Yeah my mechanics are probably a bit bad but the loops were fairly tight. I had another guy in my boat so I was trying to cast a bit cross shouldered to keep from killing him which might have caused the soreness. Then stupid me at the end of the day figured to just cast in the opposite direction and shoot on the back cast. Who would have thunk it to be that easy.
     
  6. Matt Burke

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    Oh my God, seven years ago there was only me and another guy casting a long rod off the beach into the salt water. Times have changed. There are no disadvantages one cannot overcome. As far as casting over the top of fish close to the beach, casting parallel to said beach and walking in the direction of the cast works and covers more ground. I like to walk all over the beach when hunting anyway. Line management is a bitch especially with flat mono running line. I used to use baskets but I liked how the resistance of the line coming out of the water helped turn over the fly. A basket will help get out past 120 feet but it really doesn’t improve your odds. A basket helps keep the salad off your line, but it doesn’t do anything for fouling up your fly so if there is a lot of salad, I bail out after I get tired of plucking it off. I think what is really important are the advantages. Small, heavy heads can keep you casting when all the other guys have been blown off the beach. I am running a fly through the water a hell of a lot more than the single handers. But the number one reason is that it is totally bad ass. Which, of course, outweighs any disadvantages.

    So I have proposed something several times over the last seven years. A long rod clave on the salt water. In the past, usually the few that would even discuss it online, were too scared to actually meet. Seems like we could get a whole crowd out there now. Leland could bring the Orvis shop down and that way everyone could try all the rods available. Mumbles could supply doughnuts with his copious amounts of cash from pretending to work at work when he was really just writing on the fly site. And I’ll show up and make a fool of myself. It will be awesome!
     
  7. doublebluff

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    I have been toying with the same question, and I appreciate all the perspectives.

    I am thinking about a 5 weight in this rod for silvers from the beach, using a 6 or 7 weight intermediate sink line. I have almost no two handed experience. Any thoughts?

    http://www.templeforkflyrods.com/products/rods/twohanded.html
     
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    I can't help myself... I fish my 6/7 wt Scandi rod on the beach. I mainly do switch casts (the simple water-anchor cast that is the heart of the single spey), but I use a light enough head that I can OH it, too. I'll strip the head into the guides, waggle it back out, then roll cast it out to set up for the next cast. Just a little extra time spent between casts.

    My biggest problem has been tangled running line. But it's fun, fun, fun, and you can cast a mile.

    I typically use a 5/6 AFS floating head, or my Guidelines DDC system. Both heads are fairly short and light.

    Good luck!

    Tom
     
  9. golfman65

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    Kim I have his 11'7 5/6/7 switch, grain window is similar or close enough..for two hand overhead you can go up to the high end..Bob gave me a line with it, a scandi head welded onto a fairly thick running line for river and trout...I found it to be the most bad ass salt line i've tried...it's wt is around 550 and with the thicker running line it bombs out there...For an outbound line..i'm using an errr 11wt!!! yup, it weights in at around 480 or so I believe so is well within the window..effortless casting as well...

    Matt, that's a fantastic idea!!! I am very new to this fishery...thanks to leland and others I have found a whole new world and enjoy it immensely...only wish I did more of it..but steelhead season gets me off on another tangent at times...I had heard and talked with guys who thought the switch or two handed rods were a waste of time...I have found they have saved my beat up shoulder, can cast for days let alone hours...and when the wind changes a cack hand cast still works decent while my left handed attempts were brutal...

    Like anything it takes a little time to work out the kinks, biggest one was figuring out to slow down the forward cast as unlike a single hand rod, the bottom hand applies enough power to rocket the line out. When you try to overdo it, you'll tangle up...The enjoyment factor is amazing...now if I had a gillie to do my rinse off etc. it all would be good...

    Agree on Mumbles...lots of coffee and donuts from that slacker!!!! Think we should make him the President of the salt water spey claves...all in favor :ray1:
     
  10. Ed Call

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    Mumbles is a pin head, does not drink coffee but has a weakness for donuts. Matt and Golfman65 are cruel in their criticism of such a fine lad.
     
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    Criticism? We all strive to be more like you...:thumb:
     
  12. miyawaki

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    You know there have beeen spey claves ad nauseum, why don't we have a beach clave? Don't have to be where there are fish (hell there's never steelhead at the claves). Let's just cast single handers, two handers et al. off the beach.

    Leland.
     
  13. Bob Jones

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    Great Idea Les, just wait til I learn to cast my twohander. Naw don't wait that's apt to be a while, with the rivers so high and as slow as I am. I'll just share in the donuts. Mumbles do you have a good donut shop? They're hard to find. Bob
     
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    Okay, I'm at home now, more focused on the words you all are saying and they are all good. Hell yes, why not find a beach, preferably one at a county or state park that has not had its gates locked due to fiscal restrictions. Maybe there should be regular anglers, that can show us what they do. I'm thinking how cool it is to watch a guy like Stonefish make one roll cast of his 40+ or Outbound (not sure which he uses), waterhaul to backcast and 3, 2, 1, LAUNCH. His technique is so amazing that I've sat and watched him effortlessly put out I don't know how much line that presents onto the surf as if he were after the most skittish trout in a gin clear low flowing freestone stream. If Matt Burke is there with his long knocker he can show us how he overheads that bad boy for hours on end, I've heard he fishes run after run on rivers overheading and I'd like to see that too. There has to be some comedy in such a show, and I'll gladly step up to the plate, eat a few donuts (Bob, is there such a thing as a bad donut?) and show you what little I know and everyone can have a little chuckle on fat gilligan. Of course there are many more with far better ideas than I can come up with, and who cares if there are no fish around? I did not see anyone catch any fish out of Tye Lake at the Jimmy Green Memorial. If I can fit such an event on the calendar I'll be there for sure. Who's in charge? Bob? Leland? Golfman65? Burke?

    Those of us on the correct side of the Sound likely know a place where there is a park, enough beach at just about any tide, the likelyhood of good current from the left or right at most hours of the day...and an off chance for a resident coho or sea run cutthroat.

    But I'm not telling you where until someone comes up with the donuts.
     
  15. Matthew Gulbranson

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    I think that sounds like a fabulous idea!! I really need to learn how to OH cast the longer rods, and it would be great to see the masters in action. And you CAN'T beat donuts!!! Great idea Matt. I just hope it's on a day I can make it, as I'm away for work a lot. Any ideas for dates?
    It would also be great to try some different lines on the various speys and switches to maybe get it dialed in better.
    Maybe around the narrows for the rezzies?? Any other thoughts?