2-handing overhead from the beach.... couple questions....

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  1. Frenchie

    Frenchie Member

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    Anyone do it with any proficiency?

    I have long been fascinated by double overhead with a medium/short 2 handed rod. The idea of using a shooting head and effortlessly bombing out the backing knot puts a smile on my face.

    With that being said, i have several questions. one, is it really that much better than what I can do with my fast action saltwater 690?

    I have dabbled with lighter SPEY rods, but found that really, i dont think its the spey action that I need. I have done a little research and I'm looking at building a slightly modified z-axis 5110-4 or a TCX5119-4

    I would primarily be using such a set up for beach bombing and the secondary purpose will be big meat flies to trout in rivers.

    I have heard that the Z 5110 is a rod that sits in its own category. I'm looking at something in the 5 wt range. I had a Deer creek 5110 and the thing was too much for what I need. I have heard the z axis is more of a true 5 wt, and will do overhead nicely with a 6wt outbound.

    any info/ tips would be great, I had a lot of helpful advice before i picked up my xi3, and well frankly, it was spot on, so I thought I would shoot this out here as well.


    thanks all,

    Jon
     
  2. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Jon, I can offer some confirmation that the Z Axis 5110-4 will bomb out an airlfo 40+ with ease. I can cast mine further using a two handed overhead casting technique than a single hander, and with less effort. I know little. I know I like the 5110-4 in the manner in which you describe.
     
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    yuhina Tropical member

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    well... if you want a two handed rod for overhead casting, a lot of rods can do just fine... BUT...
    if you are looking for rods in surf condition + big flies... there are some special rods design just for that...
    http://www.cndspeyusa.com/Pages/oceana.html

    basically, you need a pretty stiff rod to be safe to handle big flies for overhead casting... IMHO
    Mark
     
  4. Frenchie

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    Thanks guys,

    I'm going to mainly use this rod for beach/fraser river fishing, so by "big" i mean 3" sculpins, so anything heavier will totally be overkill.

    I'd love to hear if anyone else has imput.

    anyone cast their 5110 single handed?

    Mumbles, do you use a 6 wt or 7 wt 40+?

    thanks again,

    Jon
     
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    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    A caster with more talent and feel would likely prefer a 6wt. I have used both and favor the 7wt. I am not a very good caster, but this setup has made it work for me.
     
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    Standard recommendation is to "over line" by two notches. On factory advice I got a 10 wt Outbound for an 8 wt switch rod, and it is well matched. Individual tastes will vary though.
     
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    I also over-line my 7wt switch beach rod by just one, an 8wt Rio Outbound- that thing is a rocket launcher!
     
  8. Frenchie

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    Great info, it looks like this is THE ROD i'm after for this application. Anyone use the TCX 5119-4? its silly, but I LOVE the color! lol.

    Jon
     
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    I'm using my Orvis Access Switch rod this way on the beach. I use a switch line and can cast the entire line 2-handed overhead. Big flies are not a problem if I set my leader up for it. The only thing I don't like is it takes a few false casts to get the head out past the guides but that is a small thing to get used to.
     
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    I use a Z-axis 5110 for overhead casting and I can easily cast it single handed. I believe the line I use is 380 grains but can't remember off hand.
     
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    I picked up a Beulah 10' #5 switch this summer for fishing pinks from the beach. It casts an SGS 285 Scandit with 8' intermediate or sinking Polyleader + tippet, or a 7wt. multi-tip line, very nicely.
    The 10' length is easy to cast single hand with a haul and get great distance, but you can get the same by casting overhead with two hands, and that's a lot easier on my shoulder.
    You can also do 'touch & go' spey casts as well as Scandinavian style underhand casts with ease.
    Beulah makes a 6wt. that I think is 10.5' that might do a better job with a bigger fly. I'm fishing fairly small flies for pinks, coho and cutts.
     
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    Are you really casting a 7wt line on that poor 5wt zaxis? I've seen you cast and you're not near as bad as your self flagellating demeanor suggests. If you lined down and sped up on that fast rod with a quick stop wouldn't you get some more distance man?
     
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    I had their classic 6/7 switch and while it's a great rod on small rivers I suggest something with a faster action for the beach. The Echo 4wt switch might be a good choice along with the two you mention. I'd love to get my hands on a 5119 TCX to see if it fits the bill for beach fishing. I heard a rumor that Sage may be coming out with a 4 wt switch in their new One line of rods. I do hope that's accurate.
     
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    My Beulah is the newer 'Platinum' which is faster than the classic.
    The rod is rated as a double hand 5wt. - the grain equivalent in a single hand line is a 7wt.
     
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    OK, that's a small fly. you should be able to cast it with any rod with good techniques.
    good luck!