2013 Salmon

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Nick Clayton, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. mtskibum16

    mtskibum16 Active Member

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    Just curious, is there a reason you're waiting for a big hen vs just a big fish or a big buck?
     
  2. Nick Clayton

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    Some of us are chubby chasers!
     
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    A legendary posting by one of the best, congrats on such a great year and many more especially for your son.
     
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    For some reason I have only landed hens this year, and that was on my mind when I wrote that. A big wild hen to put back in the salt would be a fitting way to end a silver season.
     
  5. fish-on

    fish-on Waters haunt me....

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    Nick,


    Thanks for the kind words and for your support. It really means a lot.

    When the stars line up and I see you on the beach, I think the honor's mine.

    Tight lines

    John
     
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    Great post. One of the best I read here.

    Now that the silvers have mostly passed, for next year may I kindly remind people about beach etiquette. Before stepping in the water please take a quick look at the other anglers and see how far out they are standing in the water and then step into your spot going out no further than the of the fishermen, whether they be fly fishers or herring chuckers. The reason I mention this is because at one particular beach I fish the silvers have a habit of cruising just a few feet off the beach, especially at first light. Nothing worse than having a guy show up and then proceed to wade out as far as he can and in the process push those fish off the beach. If you are going to do that then go down the beach 100 yards or so. Had it happen too many times this year. Some beaches you may need to wade out to reach the fish, some you don't. If you see guys in waders only standing ankle deep, there is a reason they aren't wading out to the waists.

    For me personally I was a very good year. Not quite up to last years standards, but still very good. Once again had to buy a second catch card. I mixed it up this year. 50/50 between flies and herring. I had a lot of non-fly fishing friends visit this year and herring was the way to get them on fish. For me 70% of my fish were on herring. 30% on a pink/white clouser. I think the difference in my catch ratio was directly related to the time my offering was in the water. For every one cast with my fly rod I could get three with a herring. To be honest I really enjoyed the herring bite. Got to see a lot of the bites that happened just as I was about to lift the herring out of the water. I like said on this particular beach the salmon were very close to shore. Some of my best days were when I was alone and was able to cast where I could keep my offering about 10' from shore during the retrieve.

    Chums up next, can't wait for more silver next year.
     
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  7. mtskibum16

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    I totally agree about not just charging out in to the water. Like you said, often times the fish are in really close especially at first light!​

    I wonder how true it is about the time your offering is in the water when talking herring vs fly. The cast is quicker with herring, but often not as far (which isn't a negative if the fish are in close - see below for more on that). Also, the guys I see fishing herring are constantly walking back and forth to their buckets/bags on shore to put another herring on whether they lost it casting, to a bullhead, a seagull, or a salmon chasing it. Seems like they spend a lot of time walking back and forth and rigging herring.

    This brings up another good point I noticed this year. I get in the habbit of wanting to bomb every cast I make as far as possible in the direction I'm fishing. In my mind this equals more time in the water b/w casts and the possiblity of attracting fish further out. However, I found some times where this can hurt your chances of hooking up. One time in particular I was at a beach with my father-in-law who was in town visiting. He was struggling with casting and really only covering about 40-50 ft. We were on a point with pretty strong current at first light. I was casting way out, he was casting way in and then he started catching fish and I didn't. It took a while to realize what was happening.

    1. It was morning so the fish were in close - that meant his fly was in the "strike zone" longer while I was casting over it and spending most of my retrieve in deeper water.
    2. The strong current was making this worse because by the time I had retrieved enough line to get in to the "strike zone" my line had already swept down current to a straight-line retrieve. On the other hand, his short casts allowed him to make a good retrieve right through the good water.

    By the time I figured this out and started making shorter casts, the current changed up and the fish had pushed further out. Result: 2 for 2 (plus a shaker) for father-in-law, 0 for 0 for the rest of the beach. So to go along with the not wading out to your nipples right off the bat, stop and think about where you expect fish and how to best put your fly in front of their face before stripping 80-100 ft of line off your reel.
     
  8. Nick Clayton

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    Both good points and great info to add to this thread!

    I know one beach in particular we fished a lot this year that has a nice rocky ledge only within 30 feet or so of shore, and I hooked a lot of fish within 30 feet or so of this beach. My personal belief is that these fish would come in and cruise this ledge looking for food. I spent a lot of time casting more at a 45 dregree angle down current to try to work my fly along the ledge as long as I could rather than just cast way past it and waste a lot of time as Matt describes above.

    I spotted a lot of silvers swimming in very shallow water this year. It's cool to watch them cruise when they don't know you are there. Far too many people. , fly flingers included, can't seem to get past the childhood thinking that obviously the fish will be in the deepest water.
     
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    Fish close to a friendly herring angler and synchronize your casts. When the herring guy hooks up and the fish is struggling, the other silvers in the school will get excited and more aggressively bite your fly. It can work with buzz bombers too.
     
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    All good points.
    If you find yourself alone on a beach with plenty of room to move around and cast, cast downstream into the rip nearly parallel to the shoreline.
    Dimebrite is the master of this. I've seen him hook a ton of fish doing this. This is hard to do with others fishing around you.
    SF
     
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    Some really good tips here. Thank you all for the advice I will keep them all in mind. There are still slivers out there my friend landed one yesterday, also landed a hog of a Cut. She was down the beach from me about 30 yards. I though it was a sliver it was that big. I would have loved to have gotten a pix but she needed to get it safely back in the water. MA10
     
  12. nic

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    great post, Nick!
     
  13. Nick Clayton

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    Dime, is this essentially what you did that last time we were all on the beach? Matt hooked up first, and at first I saw you stripping in and getting out of the way. Next thing I know I see you fire off a quick cast and was quickly hooked up. I didn't think much about it at the time, but it seems like it matches up to this comment. It certainly proved to me that it's worth such efforts.


     
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    Guilty. I'm a fan of picking off an easy silver while my fellow friendly angler is playing their salmon. I am very careful not to cast back into the school until it looks like the hooked fish won't run up the beach towards me.
    Also, when I lose a salmon I immediately cast back into the moving school so I can hook up again with a riled up silver.
     
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    Great stuff here. It's the little details like this that separate those who catch an occasional fish, and those who catch frequently. It was awesome to witness that. That's something I want to pay more attention to next year.