And at the beginning of the thread people were criticizing my clever title. They have every right too, but I think now everyone can see I wasn't too far off. Where's the gloating emoticon? that'll do. Please nobody pop my balloon. Pretty please? haha tight lines all.
I don't think Coach was meaning to step on anybody's toes. I think he was just stating that you can be content with where you are at or you can strive to be better, and there are definite advantages to being better. What is wrong with trying to improve?
I don't pretend to be a log distance caster, in fact, the main reason I initially started with the spey rod was to throw a longer line. And I am not pretending to be good at that either.
But on Sunday, I had my new Rio Gold on my 5 weight, and threw out the whole head without effort, and it measures out at 14.3m (or 47 feet.) It seemed that I had to do that because it s color coded and I figured I should at least get to the color change. Didn't catch any fish at that distance. The biggest fish I caught was with a stellar presentation - I was walking upstream dragging my EHC when a 15 inch cutthroat just nailed that thing....... I think my best presentation is called trolling....
Dude, you ain't getting it or just feeling contentious. :beathead: Coach, to me, is just paraphrasing the old military recruiting line "Be all that you can be".
Chad, I know that you try to better yourself and improve at least one of your fly fishing skills. For example, you post pictures about your tying frequently in your gallery as your tying prowess progresses. You're trying to improve all the time, and you are.
It should be no different with casting.
Casting is a major component of fly fishing. Casting proficiently is about line control. As Lefty Kreh notes "The line goes in the direction you speed up and stop your rod tip." The more effectively and efficiently you deliver the line and fly to the fish, the more it increases your chances of hooking up. Not only the physical aspect of delivery, but the boost to your confidence that your casting is becoming less of a factor when handling challenging conditions. As I noted earlier, learning to cast for distance (or attempting to learn) will teach a person about many nuances of the cast and will help them become a better caster and fisherperson.
I'm with Coach; try to improve yourself, and 'be all that you can be'. Fly fishing or any endeavor.
First off... Newbie here! Just started.... 30 years ago I got to try it FF'ing with my buddies fathers rig.... A Brit and I quickly popped off 3 fly's... I could see the anger building "Some little Punk American kid is ruining my fly gear" was brewing as the steam built coming from his ears.
However as for recent casting experience... do back casts count? Seems that I cast further back than forward... As I seem to have to hike an awful long way to get a fly un stuck from, Trees, bushes, long grass, logs (whether submerged or floating).
As for forward... well.... I find that drifting the fly from up to downstream gives me a greater working area of the stream... so how do I measure that???
In reality, the rare cast might get me 20' anything more would include the length of line piled up at the point of impact with the water......
Richard, I get the point. If you look at the specific quote james and I commented on, you'll see the context of what we were trying to say.
I have nothing against trying to improve.
We should all strive to get better. But not necessarily at distance casting. There are guys that simply never fish big water. Nothing wrong with that self imposed 'limitation' if that is how they enjoy the sport. To look down your nose at them as being "an incomplete angle" smells of ignorant arrogance... Kinda like the swinging vs nymphing arguements. Or dry vs wet.
At 60, I can't qualify as a "young blood;" "tired blood," maybe . . . In my youth, I hurt my left arm pitching . . . so I mastered the fly rod from the right side & to this day still switch back & forth, tho I do get greater distance as a southpaw, but am reasonably accurate either way at the distances I prefer to cast (and they ain't particularly far). Ambi comes in handy on occasion.
By the way, "chicks dig the long ball" is a joking reference to a promo MLB did a few years ago. The reference to double biceps shots and swords is a playful jest at our stereotyped "manhood" and nothing more for you literal types who missed that. And James and Chad K, you can perceive my post as arrogant all day, it makes no difference to me. If you cannot cast long, you are missing an aspect of casting. You are incomplete. You are also incomplete if you couldn't roll cast, single haul, double haul or cast over the opposite shoulder, and there are many more. If you think about it, (which I know is hard for you Chad) arrogant is sitting on your ass all day arguing about the merits of NOT being able to cast over 60 feet. Especially when improving has nothing to do with the size of water you fish, it has to do with how many times you want to walk down to the park and practice. You know Chad and James, practicing. PRACTICING. Now what in the hell does practicing to become a better angler have to do with arrogance? As usual Chad K, you whole stance is ridiculous actually, but then we've come to expect that sort of ignorance from you haven't we? 6000 posts and none worth a damn.
You can type a lot, but can you read and comprehend? Where did I say anything about practicing? Or improving?
By your definition, we are all incomplete anglers. If that is what you meant, I can agree with that. We all need to choose and prioritize those areas we feel we want to improve on. If a guy never fishes steelhead, he may not feel the need to improve his swinging on a sink tip - yet that makes incomplete. It's really just a dumb term to use and maybe this whole arguement is just symantics...
For the record, I enjoy heading to the salt for a change of pace and pushing my limits on the long casts that i don't normally need or have the space to use. And on occassion I'll be out in the yard chucking a peice of yarn on the end of the line just to work on an aspect of my stroke or trying to get a few more feet on my cast.
But I'm not going to call someone half-assed and incomplete if they don't do the things I do, think the way I think, and fish the way I fish. Fair enough?
Koja <---- half-assed, incomplete, trying to improve (in those areas important to ME), and loving it . . . . Coach Duff, you appear to be a talented, erudite, well-written individual, and you apparently have an enviable job, but you seem to be a bit of a "snob" to this Montana country boy.
arrogant is sitting on your ass all day arguing about the merits of NOT being able to cast over 60 feet.
No, "arrogant (actually, "arrogance," if I may take liberty to correct) is presuming that those who do not hold YOUR particular values/abilities in high esteem to be somehow "inferior" to your personal vision of a competent fly fisherman/woman. I fly fish because it's a passion . . . I encourage & mentor others to do so . . . I don't criticize, but I do however, suggest potential for improvement to "better achieve the respective goals of the particular audience at the time." You may be either a "legend in your own mind" or, you may well be a master, I really don't give a rip. As my Sainted Grandma used to say, "If you look down your nose long enough, you'll become cross-eyed." That would make it even more difficult to thread the eye on a fly in dim light . . .