Fishing related Political Question: Sarah Palin and Pebble mine?

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Ed Call

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I'm all for change, let's look at Barack's voting record...

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

Why so many non votes is my question. He preaches change but doesn't even vote on most of the bills that are introduced in Congress? Oh yes universal health care, cause it works so well in other countries that have adopted it...
Now we are well adrift off topic, but I believe it is tough to vote on key issues in congress when you are in fact on the road shaking hands, waving, kissing babies and trying to get votes when you are supposed to be in your office at work.
 

Flyborg

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Wow, I guess elected officials can't speak on any subject without breaking the law. I thought we had freedom of speech in this country and that also applies to elected official. She broke no law.

Keith
"It is against the law for the governor to officially advocate for or against a ballot measure"

Freedom of speech has limitations in the US. It's why we have laws against slander, public obscenity etc... Sarah Palin knowingly broke a state law to speak against a bill that would have benefited her state fisheries, and claimed "personal privilege" to dodge the public bullet . Personal Privilege? Is that anything like "Executive Privilege?" Scenario seems awfully familiar for some reason...
 
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Now we are well adrift off topic, but I believe it is tough to vote on key issues in congress when you are in fact on the road shaking hands, waving, kissing babies and trying to get votes when you are supposed to be in your office at work.
And McCain's is any better? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?person=300071

McCain is a joke! The guy graduated last in his class at the Naval Academy, which he only got into because of his father and grandfather.
 
#50
She sits and preaches abstinence only sex education and has a high school daughter knocked up. I was a teenager, but my parents taught me to make right choices, those being to keep my penis in my pants and if I did not at least wrap it up.
 
#53
I say it's all good...bring up politics in an election year and this is the standard stuff. Besides, I think I heard someone say, "We'll go at it -- you know that's the nature of this business." Other than Jim's newfound crush on a certain hockey mom, I don't see anything out of the ordinary in here.

That notwithstanding, see post #51.
 

Ed Call

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And McCain's is any better? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?person=300071

McCain is a joke! The guy graduated last in his class at the Naval Academy, which he only got into because of his father and grandfather.

Damn Hoosier, did not intend to upset you. I'm not a big fan of McCain either, I was responding to a post about Obama. I would say that most politicians suck.

Now here is a question for you. What do they call the guy who finished dead last in his class in medical school? Doctor, and he gets licensed to "practice" medicine, generally independantly without any oversight. No politician has that level of power in a democratic society. It will be less the name of the President or Vice President but the strength of the cabinet, congress and willingness to get anything done.
 
#56
Please do not turn this into a discussion about presidential politics. I have a specific question about Palin's stance on the Pebble mine project threatening the bristol bay watershed, being that she hails from Alaska. Let's try to stay on that topic.

1) Where does Ms Palin stand on this project? (facts only please)
2) Would she be able to do anything for or against it? as US vp? as AK govenor? (some conjecture would be appropriate here)
3) As fly fishers, would you vote for a presidential ticket based on this issue alone, if the two options were likely to yield different results?

Again, Please keep any replies focused on the Pebble mine issue. We all know all about the other differences.
Not sure if full disclosure is proper or not here, but just in case I'm voting for Barack, primarily for his environmental policies (though still lacking greatly IMO), whom -- of the two primary choices -- I believe will better serve the interests of environmental protection and our fisheries.

Regarding the questions, 1) My understanding is as shown prior, that she came out against the recent measure that in my belief would have at least made it much more difficult for PM to ever become a reality, which is of course very disappointing, 2) Not as I'm aware other than being a voice for/against it, which as I've heard and read was one primary reason for its failure last week. In any case, she could have as much influence as, say, Dick Cheney might have had in the eventual profits of oil companies and Halliburton -- not to be ignored I'd say, and 3) Absolutely. As stated above, my primary issue is the environment, and this issue embodies the very problems that I see with our failure as a country on this very topic.
 
#57
I firmly believe that a vote for the McCain ticket is a vote to support degradation of our natural resources, be it Bristol Bay, the Arctic Refuge, or any other area of our fine country. Vote for change, vote for Obama, thanks for reading, Godspeed.
 
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Damn Hoosier, did not intend to upset you. I'm not a big fan of McCain either, I was responding to a post about Obama. I would say that most politicians suck.

Now here is a question for you. What do they call the guy who finished dead last in his class in medical school? Doctor, and he gets licensed to "practice" medicine, generally independantly without any oversight. No politician has that level of power in a democratic society. It will be less the name of the President or Vice President but the strength of the cabinet, congress and willingness to get anything done.
No worries...and not upset.
 

chadk

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#59
I honestly don't think Obama or Biden even know Alaska was part of the USA until about a week ago. Change? Change that will impact fishing? Dream on...
 

nb_ken

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Why so many non votes is my question. He preaches change but doesn't even vote on most of the bills that are introduced in Congress? Oh yes universal health care, cause it works so well in other countries that have adopted it...
Here's a look at McCain's qualfications. Also goes to the point above.

Some excerpts:

The son and grandson of Navy admirals, he attended Annapolis where he did poorly. Nevertheless, he was commissioned as a pilot, where he performed poorly, crashing three planes before he failed to evade a North Vietnamese missile that destroyed his plane. McCain spent more than five years in a prison camp.

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Every senator who runs for president misses votes back in Washington, so it's no surprise that McCain and all the others who ran in the primaries have missed a lot of votes in the past year. But between the beginning of 2005 and mid-2007, no senator missed more roll-call votes than McCain did, except Tim Johnson, who was recovering from a near-fatal brain aneurysm.

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McCain has done one thing well -- self promotion. Instead of working on legislation or boning up on the issues, he's been on "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" more than any other guest. He's been on the Sunday talk shows more than any other guest in the past 10 years. He's hosted "Saturday Night Live" and even announced his candidacy in 2007 on "The Late Show with David Letterman."
 
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