Waterproof digital camera

Michael Thompson

the flavor of BADFISH
i have heard the 1050 has a long shutter delay, too bad coz other wise it sounds like a great camera.

i just ordered a canon powershot D10, should be here tues, its gonna be my take every where no matter what camera... until i leave it behind on a stump or something
anyone have experience with the stylus tough 8000? seems like alot of camera for 400 bucks. i may go check one out in person.
I debated between it and the Panasonic TS1. I went with the pany for a few reasons. While I've yet to see an exact head-to-head test, from what I could tell the pany has: better lens, what appears to be better image stabilization, better battery life, better overall IQ, and hi-def movie option (with zooming and autofocus/expusure during the movie recording!).

The olympus definitely has the higher waterproof/shock/crush ratings, no doubt about that. The shock rating alone was tempting (6 foot drop? Awesome!). But I like what Pany is doing throughout their compact line-up, and wanted to support them. I place a high priority on battery life, and this camera seems to be doing pretty good so far.

I'm still trying to figure out a few quirks and the like. What does this symbol mean, how do I do that, etc. Perhaps when I get more time I'll can do something a little more formal (in terms of testing).

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
I saw an article in a kayaking mag where a guy glued a lens step up ring on his Pentax Optio W10 so he could 1. use a lens cap to protect the lens 2. use a circular polarizing filter 3. use a wide angle lens. Nice reason to have a lens near the center of the camera body.

But I also read where a reviewer was miffed that the W30 (or W60?) owners manual says not to swim with the camera in your hand because it could "force" water into the battery compartment. Really?? I wonder about how the W60 and Tough 8000 stack up in this regard?


"Chasing Riseforms"
I'm no camera geek, but I have owned a few Fuji's. I keep drowning them however. They have a new Fuji Z33WP 10 MP for under $200 out now. I don't know how good this camera is, however, the Fuji cameras I have had have worked well and a feature that I have always liked about them is they focus FAST compared to other cameras I believe. Maybe Josh can help us there. I hate slow focus action for a little digital. :)

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
Waterproof digital camera - The Fine Print

I read a webzine's user reviews of the Stylus 1030 and seeing 35%-40% negative reviews saying Olympus Customer support declined to fix cameras under warranty that leaked when used according to the mfg's spec sheets. I realize from doing IT support surveys professionally that you can expect a larger % of negative survey/review responses so number of total responses are critical to interpret results. I shoot for <5% negative for >=50% response rate in my IT projects but 35% is alarming. I checked out the owner's manuals for these waterproof cameras

Canon D10
Scratches or cracks in the seals can cause damage or leaks

Fuji FinePix Z33WP
Do not use the camera in locations that are exposed to rain :rofl: , steam, or smoke, very humid or dusty

Olympus Stylus Tough 8000
The anti shock feature does not unconditionally warrant all defective operation
Replace seals annually
Never drop or the camera or subject it to severe shocks or vibrations (severe not defined)

Panasonic Lumix DMC-TS1D
Do not strongly shake or bump the camera by dropping or hitting it. Do not subject to
strong pressure
• Take care so fluid, sand, or foreign objects do not fall into the gap of the buttons.
• The camera has cleared a drop test from a height of 1.5 m (5 feet) This does not guarantee no destruction, no malfunction, or waterproofing in all conditions.
Waterproofing is not guaranteed if the unit is subject to an impact as a result of being hit or
dropped etc.
The performance of the camera is not guaranteed in cold climates such as in ski
resorts. Operation at -10 oC is checked, but the zoom lever may get frozen and hard
to move or card/battery door and terminal cover may become hard to open when the
temperature drops rapidly

Pentax Optio W60
Seals must be changed annually to maintain waterproof performance, a fee will be charged
Substantial vibrations (from car, motorbike or ship are mentioned), shocks, pressure will cause loss of waterproof performance (substantial not defined)

Annual seal changes don't affect warranty because the warranty is expired. But it's interesting to note the life of the seals as a design spec.

I have one experience with Canon Customer Support. I bought a Canon camcorder to replace an aged Panasonic that the firewire port suddenly quit working. Within two weeks the Canon quit working too. Turns out I discovered that the HP Media Center PC I purchased Best Buy (never again on both counts; (non) service and support under both mfg and store extended service plan were a nightmare) had a defective firewire port that damaged both camcorders. I sent the camera into Canon for repair with a note detailing that the camera was damaged by my PC. Received a new camcorder at no charge!

Michael Thompson

the flavor of BADFISH
the best way to keep the exposed seals on these little waterproof cams from cracking or wearing out is apply a thin swab of refrigerator gasket gel (or vaseline) to them. it also makes for a better seal in general.

Rocket Red

Vegetarian Cannibal
I have the 790SW. Took it to Maui last summer. Swam all over with it. My pictures suck, because underwater is hard, but here is some examples.




Other fish

i finally recieved my tough 8000 been playing with it for a couple days now and its really easy to use and built tough as they say and takes a good picture. overall i would say its worth the money.

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
Another encounter with Canon Customer Service. Free repair of 5 year old Canon S1-IS for dead CCD. A D10 is sounds pretty good right now
Just saw a great summary of the latest wp cameras:


(dpreview is among the best camera/photography online resources around)

For those that don't want to follow the link and get right to the meat, they recommend the Canon PowerShot D10 over the other models, then the Pentax Optio W60 as a close runner-up.

Other models included the latest Olympus stylus (2 models) and a Fuji finepix.

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
Just saw a great summary of the latest wp cameras:
(dpreview is among the best camera/photography online resources around)...
I just found that review and was going to post a link. That's one of the most detailed tests I've ever seen. The D10 had much better resolution and white balance. My bride saw an ad for it and mentioned she was interested in one to me. I want one.
The obvious problem with that review was the omission of the Pany TS1.

Canon makes good compact cameras, but frankly the D10 is pretty underfeatured compared to the competition. A direct quote from the review: "The least compact camera in test, zoom range starts at 35mm, aggressive noise reduction at high ISO destroys fine detail." So...it's the hardest to fit in your fishing vest, doesn't have a wide wide-angle or great zoom range...and doesn't do high ISOs well. While I'm sure this camera will have its fans and make a lot of people happy, I don't think it's the best choice for a fishing vest. But maybe that's just me.

The pentax is in a weird situation as well. The W60 isn't drop/shock-proof and has a horrible, horrible battery. The "HD" movie mode is only 15 fps as well. I like the specs and form factor--specifically, having the lens in the middle of the camera. But the battery situation isn't good. (I had the original WP, and they haven't changed the battery since, and trust me, it sucks.)

The new Pentax W80 looks to be an improvement, namely adding in some shock/drop-proofness to the camera, and getting the largest movie resolution up to 30 fps. Doesn't appear that they've changed the battery situation. :-(

I have the Pany TS1, and it's not without it's issues too. It's expensive, and the telephoto end of the zoom isn't its strong point optically. I prefer lenses in the middle of cameras like the Canon and Pentax, but I'm learning to live with it. Which is to say, learning keep my fingers off of it. ;-) The camera is also heavy (though with a nice solid feel), but I think that's the price of drop/shock-proofing.

The camera takes decent pics, the battery life is pretty good (freaking great compared to the pentax), the 28mm wide angle is nice, and the HD movies are decent (and you can zoom during movies!). Doing movies underwater is more fun than I thought it would be. For some reason I never did this with the WP, but then it's movies were 15fps and had that chunky feel.