Knots (Tipit to leader)?

#1
Had an issue today with tying a surgeons knot. My leader was Fluorocarbon and tippet was too, tied it on and hooked into a fish and broke my line at the knot, so I tied it again on and the second cast did the same thing. Lost both fish of course and 4 chronies too. Pisses me off. What happened?

Adam
 

Ed Call

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#4
Had an issue using a flouro leader and a sample spool of flouro tippet. Resolved two ways, rather than using a double surgeons's I did a triple, seemed to work. Second resolution, back to mono as soon as the flouro ran out.
 

toadthedry

Active Member
#5
I think it has to do with the flourocarbons biting into the other flourocarbon with the double surgeons knot. I do think fluorocarbon is helpful for lake fishing. I use a blood knot and have less problems with that. when you tighten it you have to be carefull- moisten it and gently pull - at time you almost have to push the knot together. avoid it tightening around the line prior to forming the knot.
hope that helps.
mike
 

Porter

Active Member
#9
Had an issue using a flouro leader and a sample spool of flouro tippet. Resolved two ways, rather than using a double surgeons's I did a triple, seemed to work. Second resolution, back to mono as soon as the flouro ran out.
triple is good.
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#10
Not sure what the hell knot I'm tying, but passing it through a third time seemed to hold. I'm sure the knot is too large for good presentation or catching spooky fish...I only fish for the stupid ones.
 
#12
It's probably been said before, but if I'm experiencing tippet failure I'll use a different/newer spool of tippet. I've noticed if tippet get a couple years old it can get brittle especially if it gets too much sun on the spool. When we buy tippet at the store you really don't know how old it is. Don't recall seeing a mfg date on a tippet spool.
 

gbeeman

Active Member
#13
It's probably been said before, but if I'm experiencing tippet failure I'll use a different/newer spool of tippet. I've noticed if tippet get a couple years old it can get brittle especially if it gets too much sun on the spool. When we buy tippet at the store you really don't know how old it is. Don't recall seeing a mfg date on a tippet spool.
I replace all of my leaders every year. I'm not as good with tippet but if it's a couple of years old it's probably suspect. One other thing for consideration, I was having the same issues with a double surgeon's. I saw a variation recommend by Orvis. Instead of it being a double overhand knot it's a double figure eight knot. Since I started doing that I haven't had any issues even when mixing fluro and mono.

GBeeman
 

sroffe

Active Member
#15
I've had trouble with the surgeons knot tying my fluorocarbon tippet to my leader. I was told by those who knew better than I not to use a surgeons knot. But use barrel, nail, uni, knots.

Frustrating when your get a dozen nice takes on chronomids and they break off. I went back to mono after that.

Sam