The Earth Is Bleeding...


The Great Sage
12 years because FE's heroes were in power in Congress and had incapacitated Clinton with the BJ investigations.
So what exactly is the statute of limitations you are going to use before liberals start taking responsibility for your own incompetence? Obama had over 16 months with a essentially filibuster proof majority in Congress and the Senate to either replace these people or to push through legislation to change this and didn't. The ONLY thing this whole time and even since Bush was in office when Democrats took over power, that prevented them from fixing the things that lead to this problem was not Republicans, it was Democrat vs. Democrat infighting and incompetence that COULD have held up legislation not introduced, and re-appointments which were never tried. Some call the Republicans (which I am not one of) the "party of no". How many more months of incompetence before we can start calling the Democrats the party of "it's not my fault!"? You guys are well past the time that you can blame the other side for your lack of action, and any form of competent leadership. If you owned a business and hired someone to turn it around and 18 months later it was substantially worse would you expect him to still be blaming it on the previous boss and employees? Absolutely not, expect better than this from your president and elected leadership.

And let's not even get into the absolute lack of enforcement or oversight by the MMS or the watered down regulations after essentially 8-12 years of rule by Big Oil (Ever heard of Dick Cheney of Haliburton fame?).
Lets not even get into the lack of ethics and it's trickle down effect in this by the White House's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel chosen by Obama after an extensive study of his background who's been living for the last 5 years rent free in an apartment paid for by who? paid for by an adviser to BP! Or that the oil company that paid the most to Obama's political campaign was who? BP! Which oil company joined in Obama's B.S. cap and trade movement? BP! (among 2 others)


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I still can't decipher a damn thing FE is saying. Maybe he's an illegal immigrant?

Back to the oil spill...looks like we're finally starting to see the effects on wildlife en masse. I'd like to say it has me all teary eyed, but I'm a free market capitalist at heart, so I'm sure the companies responsible will fix things up good.


The Great Sage

Do you fish?

Yes sir, but I just started fly fishing last year after not fishing since I was a kid in eastern Idaho. This is my favorite creek so far, and the pics are from going upstream from the parking spot. I went up last weekend but the water was flowing too fast to go upstream because there is a spot you have to cross the creek then shimmy up a rock and slide down the canyon wall to get to the next hole and then shimmy across another rock face by the waterfall in the 6th pic to get up and out of the canyon and up to the road. I didn't think I'd be able to cross so I tried downstream but wasn't able to go more than about 1/4 mile downstream from the parking spot before I hit a boulder with too deep of pools to wade on either side of it. I didn't want to climb over it with no one knowing where I went fishing at. Pics are from a cell phone which is why they are so grainy.

Even had a small beaver checking me out the last trip I took up there last year.

I still can't decipher a damn thing FE is saying. Maybe he's an illegal immigrant?

That or you're not very bright, but I'll let you keep proving which one it is.

Go Fish

Language, its a virus

In life, like business, like everything, you'll get much better
results being nice. I don't know you, and after reading
your meandering diatribes of socialist drivel....I think I would rather not.
Go fish, and please don't post any reports.


The Great Sage
Here's a couple really informative links I just found, politically mostly non partisan and the people giving the most info seem to be engineers in either the oil field or deep sea drilling field showing where BP screwed up. Some of the best and clearest information I have read about how the process works, why the top kill method didn't work and why this could get MUCH MUCH worse very soon.

They are VERY long reading but worth it. A Q&A to really knowledgeable people is a good description of the first two. the third is a basic image of what the relative size of a BOP to a man is and the amount of pipe in water vs in seabed.

Ed Call

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Nice ecosystem in those photos FE. I'm glad you know a spot that offers such brilliant peace and tranquility. I'm wondering what the area would look like if a single gallon of crude were floated down that waterfall. How about one barrel? Would it alter your ecosystem experience? How long would it take for that system to recover? Enjoy the beauty of your favorite system. Many along the gulf coast can no longer enjoy theirs.