Gangs in rural Grant County?

#77
If we really want to rid the earth of this type of behavior, we have to quit waiting for the problem to arise before we do something about it; we need to be proactive. The real reason any of these guys become gang members is because they come from poverty and have had very little parenting, if any. In fact, most of these gang members are actually victims themselves and they became that way the second they were born. If we really want to stop this, we figure out a way to restrict having them being born in the first place. In this country you need a license to drive, a license to fish, a license to carry a gun, a license to hunt (heck, I just took an 18 hour hunter's safety course with my son), but any two people with an ovum and some sperm can create a kid. Why is it that we are willing to control fishing and hunting rights with a license, but not the birth of a child? Why is it that we believe it is a God given right to procreate? Isn't it really a privilege? As far as I am concerned, it should be required that anyone who is planning on having a kid first and foremost, demonstrate they have the means to take care of one. If you can't take care of a child at a certain financial level, sorry you can't have one. If you have a felony, sorry, no kids. If you are mentally unstable, sorry no kids. If you can't pass a test designed to assess your readiness as a parent, sorry, no kids. Have a drug or alcohol problem? Sorry, no kids! If you look up "population control" on google and read some opinions, most people freak out at any mention of controlled procreation. I actually think it is a good idea and it is something we need to consider in America. As soon as we stop letting people have children who can't take care of themselves, you will see a HUGE change in crime and in our success as a country when compared to other countries like China, Japan, and European nations. My two cents. Some people think it's a crazy, lunatic, fanatical idea. I just think it makes sense. Now, how would I propose to enforce such a thing? I don't have a clue. Mandatory, permanent, but reversible birth control? Now that does sound a little fanatical, but I still think it makes sense in theory.
Well congrats you just defined communism.
 

Drifter

Active Member
#78
It was known that yakima was one of the biggest drug trafficking cities in the whole northwest in the late 80's - it wasent a huge city back then and that was over twenty years ago ! it wasent addressed then so it has to be addressed now ! i feel for people over their . I,ve worked in about 6 different western states over the years but have never been to yakima and probably never will with the reports of brake ins and now learning of these gangs ! heck oregons looking better everyday !
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#79
Well congrats you just defined communism.
And fascism. Just to name a few who tried some form of extreme birth control: Stalin, Hitler, Mao (and extending to the current Chinese regime). That covers communists and fascists.

Still, it'd be good to ensure...somehow...that only responsible people procreate (and vote, drive, fish, etc).
 

Derek Young

Emerging Rivers Guide Services
#80
What if we encouraged the gang members to take care of the tweakers doing all the break-in's on the river? Fight fire with fire.
 

hedburner

Active Member
#85
You guys should go to my neighborhood here in Mount Vernon. Got some next door, and a bunch down the streets. And a lot of junior wanna be bangers. We call them the Junior chapter of MS15. Pretty much don't mess with them and they don't mess with you. I actually do know a couple of people who have ties with gangs. Nice person. And my oldest daughter's husband knew some too. It's all over, just use common sense. Pack some heat, or at least have a shotgun in the closet and a baseball bat by the front door and a hockey stick by the back one. Hell before the bangers moved in next door a bunch of cracker drug dealers lived there. They got busted with 3 pounds of meth, some weed and coke. Shitty neighborhood, but never had any break ins or been messed with.
 
#87
In my fishing group, I have a kid from Yakima who wears either red or blue doesn't mean shit to me. He came over to Vancouver for pay back on some kid who did something bad to one of his gang homies over in Yak. So now he is on probation in both Yakima County and now Clark County. I have found that if you treat these kids with respect, they will respect you back. They don't mind if I bust them on some rules infraction and lock them down for a couple days if they deserve it. This perticular kid has a rap sheet as long as Ed can cast a 4wt. Everything from Assault1 to shop lifting. Funniest thing is when he was over here getting ready to do his gang retaliation deed he shot himself in the foot and that's what got him arrested here.

After he did his time his probation officer signed him up to be in my group. His Mother was thrilled as this was the first time any adult male was going to spend some quality time with him. Don't get me wrong, I was very concerned about my personal safety and the safety of the other kids. He has North side Tattooed across his fore head so I made him wear a beanie. I made him promise not to shoot me, I was kind of kidding but not really .We started doing some community service at the Lower Hatchery on the Kalama where we painted hand rails and cleaned up the grounds. Then we met up with a couple fish bio's and a gamey friend from WDFW. they were in their civillian cloths so the kids didn't know they were law inforcement. At the end of the day we had a great time, the kids were finally told that they were basically police and hopefulle we bridged some gaps there, got alot done and had a great visit. He ended up bieng a pretty likeable kid all in all. But I still wouldn't turn my back on him in a group of his homies. A week later he did another heavy crime and is now at Green Hill in Centralia,, our states Maximum Security Juvenile Institution. I did pack that day BTW.
 

BDD

Active Member
#88
Maybe I have just been very lucky but I have never had a problem with this while fishing, hunting, or just living. Makes me wonder if my luck will eventually run out? I guess the bottom line is become educated and prepared on the subject, but I don't want it to affect living my life and being afraid to go fishing.
 

seaalki

Active Member
#89
Without a doubt...

Years too late. Already cartel activity over here. Assassination in a crowded restaurant. If you lived over here might understand...

But the real war in your valley hasn't really begun in regard to numbers... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10681249
In the late 50's and early 60's, we, westsiders would hit the orchards during the harvesting season, hard work but not bad money for those times. Some of my fondest memories lie in what we used to call East Of The Mountains, almost, for us a foreign land. Now I only pass through at times, on my way to some where else, and stop only for fuel, you have my sincerest condolences and best wishes for your future.


http://yakimavalleygangs.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html
 
#90
If we really want to rid the earth of this type of behavior, we have to quit waiting for the problem to arise before we do something about it; we need to be proactive. The real reason any of these guys become gang members is because they come from poverty and have had very little parenting, if any. In fact, most of these gang members are actually victims themselves and they became that way the second they were born. If we really want to stop this, we figure out a way to restrict having them being born in the first place. In this country you need a license to drive, a license to fish, a license to carry a gun, a license to hunt (heck, I just took an 18 hour hunter's safety course with my son), but any two people with an ovum and some sperm can create a kid. Why is it that we are willing to control fishing and hunting rights with a license, but not the birth of a child? Why is it that we believe it is a God given right to procreate? Isn't it really a privilege? As far as I am concerned, it should be required that anyone who is planning on having a kid first and foremost, demonstrate they have the means to take care of one. If you can't take care of a child at a certain financial level, sorry you can't have one. If you have a felony, sorry, no kids. If you are mentally unstable, sorry no kids. If you can't pass a test designed to assess your readiness as a parent, sorry, no kids. Have a drug or alcohol problem? Sorry, no kids! If you look up "population control" on google and read some opinions, most people freak out at any mention of controlled procreation. I actually think it is a good idea and it is something we need to consider in America. As soon as we stop letting people have children who can't take care of themselves, you will see a HUGE change in crime and in our success as a country when compared to other countries like China, Japan, and European nations. My two cents. Some people think it's a crazy, lunatic, fanatical idea. I just think it makes sense. Now, how would I propose to enforce such a thing? I don't have a clue. Mandatory, permanent, but reversible birth control? Now that does sound a little fanatical, but I still think it makes sense in theory.
I heard about another guy who had this same idea, a little different criteria but pretty close. His name was Adofl I think