Steeliess reserved for experienced?

#76
First off, to the OP: Right the fuck on man! The first one is better than getting laid for the first time IMO.

And second: To the "beads are going to always catch more fish" crowd... Sean Beauchamp and I rose about two dozen fish to dries a couple weeks ago. Sean had a bead rod he always ran through the runs too. After two days, the bead only got one fish. I think that there are definitely times when the bead is the last thing I would throw on. That being said; I've got a bead rig set up and ready to roll for my trip over the next few days.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#77
Evan,

There are definitely days when dry flies will outproduce wet flies, but over the course of a 365 day season or year, dry flies aren't anywhere near close to the top of the list.

In another non-scientific experiment, 3 anglers fished a remote wilderness river for 8 days. First rods through each pool was a swung fly, followed by beads. End result: beads outfished swung flies 12:1. Under the weather and water conditions of that trip, there were a lot of non-players in the steelhead population.

Sg
 

Jason Chadick

A Fish, A Fish, A Fishy, Oh...
#78
I just want to interject and see if it would be possible to compile a history of Salmo g's responses on this forum. He's like the father I've never had and I've never even met the guy...seriously. I've learned more about fly fishing and ethics from reading this guy's posts than all the glossies, podcasts, and "how to" books that I've purchased combined. Here's to ya!
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#80
Nymphing a bead, you say? What does an adult bead, or a bead pupa, or bead dun look like? How do you tie those? Sorry, you weren't "nymphing" you were using a bead - there's a difference between a "technique" and matching the available insect that the fish are feeding on. Sure, call it the same as using an "attractor" pattern, but you're just fooling yourself.
I'm amazed that people don't pull a bait diver & bead set up behind a drift boat on a speyrod and call it flyfishing the ethics of this sport sure have become a thing of the past.
 

freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
#81
I'm amazed that people don't pull a bait diver & bead set up behind a drift boat on a speyrod and call it flyfishing the ethics of this sport sure have become a thing of the past.
So now we have an oversight committee to establish the "ethics" by which one chooses to legally fish? I'll grant you bait divers (you could have thrown in side-planers for good measure) are not what most consider to be fly fishing in the conventional sense but if it is legal and they find it enjoyable who is in the position to judge and belittle that choice?
 

o mykiss

Active Member
#82
I got a kick out of the post that asserts that fishing beads under an indicator is highly technical but swinging flies isn't. Probably not intended, but topped Chris Bellows' posts for sheer hilarity. :)

P.S. I started re-reading Bill McMillan's Dry Line for Steelhead book last night. I read this years ago when I first started flyfishing and now realize that, without the benefit of any meaningful experience with a fly rod at the time, I really didn't comprehend all the techniques he described in those essays. All these years later, it dawns on me that even Bill McMillan "stooped" to nymphing, and quite regularly it seems at least in his go-go years (although I feel pretty confident that his nymphing days pre-dated the dawn of indicator fishing and that he never defiled his leader with a plastic bead). He even describes his theory that steelhead mistook his deadrifted Indian Paintbush as a gob of eggs! It's like finding out that there is no Santa Claus.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#83
So now we have an oversight committee to establish the "ethics" by which one chooses to legally fish? I'll grant you bait divers (you could have thrown in side-planers for good measure) are not what most consider to be fly fishing in the conventional sense but if it is legal and they find it enjoyable who is in the position to judge and belittle that choice?
fishing spawning salmon isn't illegal as long as it open for salmon, but it's not very ethical by my standards, But to todays sportsman if its legal go for it. The logic used today is it's only illegal if you get caught and I'm not responsible ,its the other guys fault.
 

Nailknot

Active Member
#85
Setting up, Bill Dance style, when the bobber drops just isn't the same as a swung fly grab. Sitting in traffic in a Yugo vs driving a mountain road in a 911. Both legal. Both driving. Both have their aficionados, I suppose.
 

Brazda

Fly Fishing guide "The Bogy House" Lodge
#87
I'm amazed that people don't pull a bait diver & bead set up behind a drift boat on a speyrod and call it flyfishing the ethics of this sport sure have become a thing of the past.
First of all I know your stirring the pot but I like it! so here'e my stick.

SO you say its an ethics thing fishing a bead or just nymphing for steelhead? I don't get that why is that unethical and 15 ft of t14 with 6 inches of rabbit not considered the same, ethisc wise, its all casting a fly line the same as if it was a 16 hairs ear or bugger, overhand or spey.
By the way,,, would it not be unethical to target springtime steelhead (APRIL) wading deep swinging on Redds, see a lot of that by those holy anglers, well at least the one pretending to not know the steelhead are spawning there. Or how about fishing on summer runs in February or March those fish have been in the system for nearly a year,, how unethical would you consider that? These are direct targets for some of the HOLY anglers.
Determining ethics by whats the end of the string,,,,hum pretty small devise to turn the table of ethics (8mm).
All just points to consider not pointing fingers:)

Just as so many think its the little thing at the end of the line that catches the steelhead, it's NOT.... its the delivery and location, the delivery is what determines fly fishing or Spey fishing and the location is what determines success!

By the way the only reason its not rabbit in the arguement is because they are so dam hard to throw unless attached to a spey rod :) Steelhead will crush rabbit just as much as a bead, you just need to get it to them.

Just when you all thought that steelhead nymphing is all about the bead wrong again.

Thanks for the use of the stir stick.....
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#89
(First of all I know your stiring the pot, but I like it.Quote Brazda)

I do admit to enjoying a heated discusion , even more so when there is no clear answer!! I have pretty much quit trying to debate whats ethical and whats not ,But the on going show on this forum provides for entertainment on a boreing night. That said I have moved on to small creek tenkara fishing as the steelhead game is all but over with .Good luck guys in catching the last one.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#90
Oz,

Is anyone twisting your arm to make you read these threads?

Bbuddy,

You're on the right track. Understand tho, that for nymphers it might be about catching the last one, while for swingers it's likely about fishing for the last one. Note the not so subtle difference. And in another time it could have been about Tenkara steelheading, in small streams of course.

Sg