Indicator or "not"???

Charles Sullivan

ignoring Rob Allen and Generic
#17
I am a very visual person; I can't give directions without trying to draw a map.

Same with fishing. The takes I remember and play over and over again in my head are the ones I saw, never the ones I felt. I will fish a dry over just about anything else but if I go sub-surface, I like to 'see' the take, be it with a hopper/dropper or indicator. I do a fair bit of trout and steelhead fishing without a visual cue - swinging soft hackles or steelhead flies, dragging a bugger in a tube, or casting and stripping a streamer - but none of these takes do for me like seeing a take. I can not imagine any tug being as exciting for me as it was to watch an actively sipping steelhead rise and inhale my sz 14 Parachute Adams last spring. But I am visual and I suspect most swingers are kinesthetic.
Really? I find this amazing. I must be kinesthetic. I'm totally with you on the map thing though.

The takes I remember best are they ones that blow up your arm and make your reel scream. The fish from up north that made my reel bang and woke me up. That little 6 lber was awesome. The fish from a local stream that took mid swing and kept going. They aren't all like that but those that are.......well they are why I am a steelhead flyfisherman. These fish are the hottest chic's at the party, complete with shiny positive attitudes and no sexual inhibitions. They rock my world just through a different apendage. I have caught steelhead (GL) nymphing and found it's like settling for the drunk chubby girl with low self esteem.

I'd take up swinging spoons before I'd lob weight and a bobber. I am honestly amazed every time someone says they enjoy nymphing. I don't mean this as an insult to those who like it. I just really don't get it. Irafly thinks it's as much fun as a man can have. It's great for him to have something he loves so much, I'd just rather get my teeth cleaned.

To the OP. Maybe your just better off swinging. If you are steelheading to the north, it would be the norm.

Go Sox,
cds
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
#18
The thing is, even with an indicator, I still get that same pull/tug so the kinetic energy is still there but I also get the visual. Not that I can be that bummed, but I've felt disappointment when a fish has hit at the end of a drift and I've looked away to target my next cast. Ultimately though I love this sport mostly because there are so many ways to enjoy it and I think most of us are at a point now where we are ok with people enjoying the sport the way they want to enjoy it and leaving it that. Most of us have gotten past the need to judge others worth based solely on how they chose to target a steelhead, I say most.
 
#21
Coming into the game late...but after doing a search and finding nothing specific...is there a good reference on "how" to fish with an indicator? I am new so I apologize for the goofy noob question.
I get the concept but it still seems awkward to me :(
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
#22
Coming into the game late...but after doing a search and finding nothing specific...is there a good reference on "how" to fish with an indicator? I am new so I apologize for the goofy noob question.
I get the concept but it still seems awkward to me :(
You know that is actually a good question. I'm not sure if anyone has ever really taken the time to write it all out. I just recently took my brother out fishing for steel and he is a good fisherman in general but he is a gear guy with only a small bit of fly experience. He could cast fine but after watching him for awhile I realized that there was just something wrong with the way his indicator was floating. He is a fairly good visual learner so I had him watch me and my indicator while I fished because for the life of me watching him I couldn't exactly place what was wrong with his drifts. As he was watching I started to think of all the subtle things I was doing to fish the indicator through different slots and it was amazing to me the constant action. It reminded me of when I first learned to drive and how I would over compensate when taking even small corners but now I don't even think about it. When I drive now I am also making constant adjustments but I just don't notice. So how do you learn? Reading about it might not be the best way to figure it out. You may also need to watch someone do it right. If you are just in general looking for how to set up an indicator system to fish for steel or whatever, let me know and I can type that up for you.

There will be a lot of people on the forum that will tell you that indicator fishing is easy and they may even use the term cheating, but I just personally doubt that very seriously, it is as much of an art form as swinging or anything else for that matter.
 
#24
Thanks Ira, let me YouTube (thanks DK, I always forget about YouTube) some info on it and get a general gist. I was curious as I see the little neon balls and couldn't quite wrap my head around how you would use them, but its making sense, just one of those things like your brother found out by observing.
Basically a slip bobber that gives enhanced visuals on whats going down under the surface, that's a simple view but I am sure there are a ton of subtle nuances that occur between cast and strike.
I am a global learner, I take it all in bit, but I guess doing is the best way overall.
Thanks and please allow the regularly scheduled indicator discussion continue unabated :p
 
#25
There will be a lot of people on the forum that will tell you that indicator fishing is easy and they may even use the term cheating, but I just personally doubt that very seriously, it is as much of an art form as swinging or anything else for that matter.
Agreed!
 

skyrise

Active Member
#26
going to use the indicator more this winter. as a change of pace and to learn more on the method.
have the float & jig down. many nice fish to hand on that method.
i like using thin wire hooks when doing float & jig. hook sets are much better. so i need to find fine wire fly hooks to use with indicator and fly line. it should work the same as float & jig.
it all sounds fun though.
 
#27
going to use the indicator more this winter. as a change of pace and to learn more on the method.
have the float & jig down. many nice fish to hand on that method.
i like using thin wire hooks when doing float & jig. hook sets are much better. so i need to find fine wire fly hooks to use with indicator and fly line. it should work the same as float & jig.
it all sounds fun though.
Why not just use your jigs?
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
#29
I tried that bobber thing; I just couldn't get a good swing out of it.
You weren't adjusting your mend well enough then and pulling line out as the indicator drifted. At the end of the drift I always straight line the drift and let'er swing. Sometimes I'll even dead drift swinging flies under the indicator and then let them swing, best of both worlds. FYI, I get that you were just being funny Jeff.

My biggest problem with indicatoring though is that my indicator keeps dipping under the water.