NFR: Squaxin Tribe Taking 1/2 My Clams

Stonefish

Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater
#31
Go Fish doesn't need to go back to Europe since his ship didn't arrive yesterday. The property he lives on has been owned by his family for nearly 100 years.
 

Citori

Piscatorial Engineer
#32
As a general statement, most tribes are aware and concerned about their public image. As long as their bad deeds can be done with little notoriety, they can and do operate with impunity. Depending on how upset you are, you may wish to consider providing some publicity for them that will adversely affect their public image, i.e. the truth...
 

David Dalan

69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E
#33
I sure feel your frustration. I would feel the same way. I too would ponder all kinds of intrusive things to interefere or defeat the harvest attempt, but I suspect most would be Federal crimes. Not becasue I'm some violent nutjob...but becasue I think interfereing in any way with tribal harvest is probably against the law. What you do before the harvest, might be another story.

In any event, it's some bullshit for sure. The only way to avoide this kind of nonsense is to setup home on land nobody else would ever want to use. Otherwise, some jackass is bound to come along sooner or later and say they want what you have.
 
#35
Man, it's almost like you feel like you entered into some kind of agreement about your property that you feel should be binding...

And yea, I know this is a pretty lame first post but some of the backlash about the tribes on here is starting to rub me the wrong way.
 

bigdood

fishing hack
#36
As a general statement, most tribes are aware and concerned about their public image. As long as their bad deeds can be done with little notoriety, they can and do operate with impunity. Depending on how upset you are, you may wish to consider providing some publicity for them that will adversely affect their public image, i.e. the truth...
Any suggestions? The local WA news and papers don't show much interest in touching anything involving the tribes and their use of the resource, derelict nets being ignored, tribal enforcement lacking, etc.
 

nomlasder

Active Member
#37
Won’t tribal shellfish harvesting deplete the resource?

No. Judge Rafeedie’s ruling allows the tribes to harvest up to 50 percent of the harvestable surplus of shellfish, that is up to half of the shellfish not needed to sustain the species. Sound fisheries management practices will safeguard overall shellfish populations by only harvesting what can be taken without jeopardizing any particular species. The tribes employ fisheries scientists, managers, technicians and enforcement officers who work together to ensure resource populations are managed to provide a long-term sustainable harvest.

In reading the link jwg provided, the harvest is 50% the substainable harvest level. I would like to know more about the population assessement and WDFG review. What is considered a viable population density. For instance if the tribes assement is 10 clams per square meter (or yard) and biological evidence inticates 4 clams per meter is the minimum sustainable population then there are only 6 available and 50% of that is 3.

Do your home work, I would also ask to have WDFG monitor the harvest to ensure only the quota is taken.
 

David Dalan

69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E
#38
Man, it's almost like you feel like you entered into some kind of agreement about your property that you feel should be binding...

And yea, I know this is a pretty lame first post but some of the backlash about the tribes on here is starting to rub me the wrong way.
Just in case, my comments are not specific to tribes. Pretty much applies to tribal, Federal, state and local agencies as well. Many properties have easements of one kind of another (utilities, access, etc.). Even if you benefit from one of these easements, it's still quite rational to be irritated by the execution of one of these easements. Sometimes they are a deal with the devil (in order to get some essential resource, you have to provide the easement). So even if it's useful, it does not mean that it goes down smooth.

It was a tribe that sent the letter, so it cannot be shocking that the discussion focuses on what the tribe did. Choices (even the legal execution of treaty rights) have consequences. In this case, the consequence may be a clam harvest hoedown, letters to the editor extolling the "bullshit" nature of the harvest and some bitching on the internet.
 

Citori

Piscatorial Engineer
#40
Free advice being what you pay for it...if it were me, I'd have some signs up, on the road and on the beach, I'd write some letters to the editor that included date and time, and I would probably park my vehicle across the street from the tribal HQ with a sign or two on it...but I am a hard headed cranky old fart...
 

Kcahill

Active Member
#41
As for me doing
something because of spite....thats true.
Call your homeowners insurance and explain to them what is happening and ask what type of insurance they need to work on your property like this. Forward that to the tribe in a certified letter requesting copies of their liability, automobile liability(any auto), any umbrella insurance they have, and copies of any contractor\sub contractor agreements and their insurances.


Also request copies of work permits\green cards before allowing anyone on your property.

edit: Since they are using a boat and not vehicles ask for copies of their marine insurance, DoT, and Coast Guard Compliance stuff including proof of pre employment drug screening.
 

dryflylarry

"Chasing Riseforms"
#42
I would ask to see their "Environmental Assessment" of what they proposed to do and the impacts on your beach (including the devaluation potential of your property!) , before letting them on the property. That would not be an unusual request! It affects YOU.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#44
I would love to see their reaction when you request these items, In their oppinion, You are living on their land that was taken from them illegally and they will tell you so in not so many words...



Also request copies of work permits\green cards before allowing anyone on your property.

edit: Since they are using a boat and not vehicles ask for copies of their marine insurance, DoT, and Coast Guard Compliance stuff including proof of pre employment drug screening.[/quote]
 

Kcahill

Active Member
#45
I would love to see their reaction when you request these items, In their oppinion, You are living on their land that was taken from them illegally and they will tell you so in not so many words...
Opinion doesn't matter, only who owns it now and what contracts\treaties\whatever you want to call it are valid now. I make my living working on others people property that do not want me there even though they sold the right of way on that land years ago, or the previous owner did(dating back to the 30's). If the current owner wants to make your life a living hell to get the work done they can.