where are the non crowded river spots?



I might be old,but I'm good

Here's one more place to try is the head waters of the Skykomish River. Mostly the South Fork. There are about five rivers that are in that area. The Foss,Tye,Beckler,Rapid,Miller. There are Forks on the Miller and the Foss. There's also Money creek. I've given you the area what you find is up to you. All of these have steelhead in them. Now the rest is up to you. Jim :THUMBSUP

Rob Blomquist

Formerly Tight Loops
Heck, I would say that most fishermen are lazy.

I have found empty water just 100 yards from Reiter Ponds in the middle of the winter during the peak of the hatchery run.

And I mean lazy in terms of walking. They hardly leave their car if they don't have to.

and then driving? One guarantee is that if you only slightly need your 4WD, there will not be another with you, unless you brought them.
I would agree with FlyFisher Frank. Get to know the staff at your local fly shop. Go in, tell them that you are a beginner and ask for advise. Buy the flies they recommend. Go where they recommend. After your trip, go back and see them. Tell them what you did and what you saw. Ask for more advise. Don't expect them to roll over right away and reveal all the great spots, but they'll probably throw you a bone. They would like your repeat business if you are friendly and sincere. Stick around the shop a little. Make conversation. People love to talk. People love it when you actually follow their advise. It's kind of like going to the barber shop in the old days - your dad will understand that.

Also, consider joining Trout Unlimited (TU). The TU website lists chapters in Federal Way and Oly. Don't know how active they are - perhaps other members of this BB can advise. In the beginning, it's a great way to meet people with similar interests. It also provides an avenue for you to give something back to the sport. Trout and salmon need our help.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

My apologies Micro Brew, I was most definately not calling you lazy. A few posts after your reply describes lazy as not will to walk to far. It sounds to me like you do hike in a bit and I bet generally after hiking in you have the place to yourself. That was the point of my advice, if you are willing to walk, even a little ways, you can find some great spots and have them to yourself.

I was not calling flyfishers lazy as in sitting-on-an-upside-down-bucket-power-baiting-sucking-down-mountain-dew-and-stuffing-your-face-with-cheetos-on-the-dock! Flyfishers arn't lazy like that!

Tight lines,

There is also chapter 366 in Des Moines I just myself joined last month most of the members seem to be flyfishers with a few salmon fishers thrown in to the mix. Being a member also gets you a list of the trout plants earlier then most if you are in to the local lake action plus other benifits. All $ raised though membership goes into protecting our waters and our right to fish with both local and federal goverments. Trout Unlimit has done a lot to help us all, with all types of fishing related causes, a very good cause to support.

Scott Salzer

previously micro brew

Thanks, I understand. It really doesn't take much to find that quiet spot, but a little effort can go a long way. Perhaps we will meet on one of those bushwacking / hiking trips to an off the road spots.
The best thing you can do is for you and Dad to buy pontoon boats! They are cheap nowadays, as low as $250 and it will open up all sorts of possibilities. Float the rivers and find all sorts of spots not ever touched by bank fisherman. Don't expect to fish out of them much, they are best used as transportation from run to run.

***The key to your success here is covering as much water as you can in a day...If you are fishing a bank access area, there might not be any fish in that area and you can cast all day with no success. This is especially true with the salmon and steelhead runs. If you keep moving, trying different spots, you will find the fish.***

Another bit of advise...make sure you get one with a good anchor system that you can release with one hand and that will lock when you let go of the rope. Go check out the fishcat 9 model closeup and you will know what i mean. If you are fishing while floating down the river and hook a big fish, you use your flippers and navigate to the shore to the shallows, use one hand and drop the anchor and stand up and walk away from the boat and continue playing the fish. Works like a charm!
Although this fishing wasn't free of charge, it sure was free of people and close enough to be an "any afternoon" getaway. The lands east of Weyerhauser gate 10 have required a 65.00 permit (yearly) to gain access to their property. There are beautiful spots to fish the Snoqualmie river back there (pools,runs,boulder pockets) and in a couple dozen trips have seen a total of three fishermen. This area is going through changes of ownership (link posted on this site) but I believe these permits are for sale now for the 2002 season. Fish sizes are small unfortunately but it's hard to get skunked. I have seen Cougar in there also. Really an indicator of how much human activity goes on along that reach of the river. The fee is just enough discouragement to keep this area vacant. ...Zane
There are no crowds on rivers outside 100 yds of their access points. In addition to that, look for pull-out along rivers. If there are no cars parked, the fishing is probably all yours. The advice about maps, flyshops, guide books is all good. Join a fly fishing club.
I agree with those who tell you to try the head waters of anything or any lake/water that is more than a 1/4 mile hike. For example parts of the Green above the dam and outside of the "closed" area has some nice small fish and I have never seen anyone. However, the fishing can be very hit or miss depending on water temp because it is a small stream at that point. Once you get your map find a well known, productive river and try hiking up above any baracade to the sea run fish. Also, I have found that rivers with steep gradiants will only hold fish in numbers if they have a great deal of rip rap/holding water, or are wide for their volume and very winding. If they run straight w/o a lot of broken water, winter run off seems to clean the bottoms too well. Sections of the Snoqualmie suffer from this in my opinion base on examination of rocks and bugs in various sections.

You would not want to make the drive to any of my "spots" besides, as generally mentioned by others the crowds are often there for a reason. that said, most fly fishers seem to be generally good people. Most of us are considerate and walk around water where someone is fishing. The only time I have ever experianced people shadowing my casts is on Rocky Ford or Dry Falls when I am doing well or on the Elwah when there are a bunch of people. The ones who do it tend to be decked out in new gear and don't cast very well, or cast extreemly well and are "really intense." Try not to be either. :THUMBSUP


AMEN brother I would love to see the power bait chukin' dork that can stay w/ me on my summer fishing trips. anything above 3500' is my min. start. A lot of the lakes I fish are still iced over right now and when they thaw I will be the first person there, Guarenteed. As for keeping things secret, well, I don't know about that, everywhere is public land except for those places that charge to fish but anyone can fish a U-Fish pond. :DEVIL
thx flyfisher frank for all you wrote thats what i was looking for just the detail stuff that you might not think of. I actually learned flyfishing from my dad when i was 8 yrs old watching him take lessons in our driveway. My dad never let me go out with him thinking i would get a hook in my haed or whiped by the flyline. But i consistantly watched and took his rod out and practiced when he was gone....hee hee hee!! thx a million and may all fish meet you some day!!