Dave Scadden vs Watermaster

Which Boat is better?


  • Total voters
    35
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Jim Ficklin

Genuine Montana Fossil
#31
I'm sold on my Renegade. I don't do any rivers excluding the lower Yak & a few meandering streams back home, but it works for me (and is fairly easy for an old fart to load & carry). Dealings with Dave have been excellent & I'm comfortable in it all day. I'm contemplating a Koffler pram, but only so I can take my pup with me . . . I feel like a selfish ass when I leave Hank at home.
 

Blue

Active Member
#32
I'm sold on my Renegade. I don't do any rivers excluding the lower Yak & a few meandering streams back home, but it works for me (and is fairly easy for an old fart to load & carry). Dealings with Dave have been excellent & I'm comfortable in it all day. I'm contemplating a Koffler pram, but only so I can take my pup with me . . . I feel like a selfish ass when I leave Hank at home.

Okay. Baxter is short, but he is long....plenty of room behind me for him
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#33
half a dog high, and a dog and a half long. Das Veeniedog! Fit right in here in Lederhosenland, alongside all the German Shepherds and the Bernese Mountain Dogs. It would be a real kick if we could teach all the dogs to howl every time the guy from Alpenfolk fires up his big alphorn!!:D
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#37
I just talked to Dave Scadden and Water Master. Both boats are PVC and blaterless. What really matters is the fabric used underneath. But they are both very similar in construction. Both have "welded seems" (glued). But why I think mariavia boats are so durable is because just heat and pressure to make the perfect weld. (just my opinion) Both boats have a life time warranty.

Anyways the outcast is urthane coated nylon with seemless construction. But it does have an interior blatter. I stay away from blatter constrution. Because with my experience blatters shift around during movement and then you have to get it all lined up again to fill back up.

So the question is still Scadden or Watermaster. haha
Hmmmmmmm, have you actually used the "Aire" built (or even Aire themself) pontoons? Reason I ask, I used to row them a lot (Aire that is). Had one of the original Aire Ocelots that came off the factory line back around 1989 (may have been 88, but keep thinking it was my first year of college). Never had the shifting problem, but I always kept them partially inflated. Owned quite a few after that (and kept that original one up until my back injury and had to sell it back around 2002). Never had that problem. Now on the cheaper end boats (and the lower end Outcasts) I experienced it a bit, but usually if they were totally deflated for a bit (which I tried not to do). But saying it has a bladder you're out means you've never dealt much with a quality boat (and not many will say Aire doesn't know their stuff building boats).

If you're gonna put the money out, go look into SOTAR or Maravia. In a different league when it comes to these boats, that's for sure.
 

Blue

Active Member
#38
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Hmmmmmmm, have you actually used the "Aire" built (or even Aire themself) pontoons? Reason I ask, I used to row them a lot (Aire that is). Had one of the original Aire Ocelots that came off the factory line back around 1989 (may have been 88, but keep thinking it was my first year of college). Never had the shifting problem, but I always kept them partially inflated. Owned quite a few after that (and kept that original one up until my back injury and had to sell it back around 2002). Never had that problem. Now on the cheaper end boats (and the lower end Outcasts) I experienced it a bit, but usually if they were totally deflated for a bit (which I tried not to do). But saying it has a bladder you're out means you've never dealt much with a quality boat (and not many will say Aire doesn't know their stuff building boats).

If you're gonna put the money out, go look into SOTAR or Maravia. In a different league when it comes to these boats, that's for sure.


The original post was about selling a drift bloat and buying a one man pontoon of sorts (one that you can move with fins) so isn't Sotar or Maravia like apples and oranges? I get them for white water, but for just a one man fishing boat?
I had the older Aire pontoons as well and never noticed a shifting thing. Baby powder helped if you needed to shift anything. But there is still zippers and possibility of sand or debris getting in.

I do find it interesting that this post is getting a lot of positive for Scadden, but the pole says the opposite though :)
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#39
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The original post was about selling a drift bloat and buying a one man pontoon of sorts (one that you can move with fins) so isn't Sotar or Maravia like apples and oranges? I get them for white water, but for just a one man fishing boat?
I had the older Aire pontoons as well and never noticed a shifting thing. Baby powder helped if you needed to shift anything. But there is still zippers and possibility of sand or debris getting in.

I do find it interesting that this post is getting a lot of positive for Scadden, but the pole says the opposite though :)
No, not really. Most make one man boats. If you want "bullet proof", that's about as hardcore as you're going to find. I almost bit the bullet on a SOTAR Coho years ago, and almost again when one came up for sale here recently. Hold their value extremely well and are the best boats on the market. Hence the reason if you're going to spend the cash, why not spend it once? Plus, I have a bigger 10' Steelheader, pretty bulky in comparison, not much smaller then the SOTAR Coho, and I've used a small frame and used fins quite easily. Though I prefer one of my whitewater frames with full size oars on it.

Onto zippers, I only had to undo my zippers on my old Ocelot once out of necessity. Rest of time I'd do a cleanout just in case I had a buildup of debris. Again, all those whitewater miles I rarely ever had debris in the zippers.

I wouldn't say a dozen or so people commenting and just about 2 dozen voting constitutes much of anything in the world of what's good vs bad. Such a small sampling, isn't realistic at all for a decision. I still lay to the claim we're all different, so go row a few of those boats before you decide on anything. What I like vs you like will be totally different.
 
#40
Hmmmmmmm, have you actually used the "Aire" built (or even Aire themself) pontoons? Reason I ask, I used to row them a lot (Aire that is). Had one of the original Aire Ocelots that came off the factory line back around 1989 (may have been 88, but keep thinking it was my first year of college). Never had the shifting problem, but I always kept them partially inflated. Owned quite a few after that (and kept that original one up until my back injury and had to sell it back around 2002). Never had that problem. Now on the cheaper end boats (and the lower end Outcasts) I experienced it a bit, but usually if they were totally deflated for a bit (which I tried not to do). But saying it has a bladder you're out means you've never dealt much with a quality boat (and not many will say Aire doesn't know their stuff building boats).

If you're gonna put the money out, go look into SOTAR or Maravia. In a different league when it comes to these boats, that's for sure.


I have had three pontoons with bladders. I don't have the luxury to keep mine inflated all the time! So they shift when I move from place to place. Just my experience. That is why I don't don't want a boat with bladders. If it was a raft that I was keeping inflated then I agree not such a big deal. But if it's something I'm deflating and moving a ton. I'll choose to go bladder less.

I never said they made bad boats! Don't put words in my mouth.
 
#41
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The original post was about selling a drift bloat and buying a one man pontoon of sorts (one that you can move with fins) so isn't Sotar or Maravia like apples and oranges? I get them for white water, but for just a one man fishing boat?
I had the older Aire pontoons as well and never noticed a shifting thing. Baby powder helped if you needed to shift anything. But there is still zippers and possibility of sand or debris getting in.

I do find it interesting that this post is getting a lot of positive for Scadden, but the pole says the opposite though :)

I agree that it is very interesting. I have had 4 people pm me saying to go with Watermaster. They didn't want to get in an argument. So really it's close to even.
 
#42
No, not really. Most make one man boats. If you want "bullet proof", that's about as hardcore as you're going to find. I almost bit the bullet on a SOTAR Coho years ago, and almost again when one came up for sale here recently. Hold their value extremely well and are the best boats on the market. Hence the reason if you're going to spend the cash, why not spend it once? Plus, I have a bigger 10' Steelheader, pretty bulky in comparison, not much smaller then the SOTAR Coho, and I've used a small frame and used fins quite easily. Though I prefer one of my whitewater frames with full size oars on it.

Onto zippers, I only had to undo my zippers on my old Ocelot once out of necessity. Rest of time I'd do a cleanout just in case I had a buildup of debris. Again, all those whitewater miles I rarely ever had debris in the zippers.

I wouldn't say a dozen or so people commenting and just about 2 dozen voting constitutes much of anything in the world of what's good vs bad. Such a small sampling, isn't realistic at all for a decision. I still lay to the claim we're all different, so go row a few of those boats before you decide on anything. What I like vs you like will be totally different.

I completely agree. I just wanted to know if there was one stand out or if someone had a really good reason for one over the other.